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In reply to the discussion: Criticize the President? We should not even be having serious conversations about this. [View all]Babel_17
(5,400 posts)28. Who are you, Teddy Roosevelt? :)
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
To be fair, TR makes a good point about respecting those who fight the good fight.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
Below are additional quotations related to the more famous and later quote. These quotes taken from a cdrom - The Works of Theodore Roosevelt - National Edition, A PRODUCT OF H-BAR ENTERPRISES COPYRIGHT 1997
"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." (1891)
"Criticism is necessary and useful; it is often indispensable; but it can never take the place of action, or be even a poor substitute for it. The function of the mere critic is of very subordinate usefulness. It is the doer of deeds who actually counts in the battle for life, and not the man who looks on and says how the fight ought to be fought, without himself sharing the stress and the danger." (1894)
http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/quotes.htm
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Criticize the President? We should not even be having serious conversations about this. [View all]
woo me with science
Apr 2013
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K&R Uncritical fangurl "My President" worship is reminiscent of teen idol worship and just as
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#3
Didn't we Democrats always consider this 'creepy'? Well we did when Bush supporters would take no
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#4
Some even want to start a picture thread, borrowed from the other site not to be named?
A Simple Game
Apr 2013
#54
I support the president also. When he works for the people he will get my complete support. I do not
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#13
"the sky is not falling..." Approximately 9% of seniors receiving Social Security live in poverty
Melinda
Apr 2013
#53
Wouldn't it be easier just to not make cuts to SS that would push one third more into poverty?
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#95
Yes, why is it brought up in these discussions when it has nothing to do with the deficit? n/t
cui bono
Apr 2013
#169
CPI overstates inflation and, as a result, drives up the deficit unnecessarily.
Life Long Dem
Apr 2013
#181
So what your saying is those on SS shouldn't be receiving a fixed income based on CPI-W?
Veilex
Apr 2013
#208
What I see through your links is that politicians are having to pay back money they have appropriated
Veilex
Apr 2013
#218
Your very informative posts will fall on deaf ears for those who are only interested
SammyWinstonJack
Apr 2013
#84
If I have to give a link to show less (not equal) more then you have a problem that a link
Progressive dog
Apr 2013
#105
Thanks, I came to the conclusion that some people do not understand what is going on here or do not
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#116
I am beginning to suspect most of them "don't want to" as it isn't hard to understand
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#127
CCPI will not "lift these seniors to above the poverty line", it will plunge them below it.
Veilex
Apr 2013
#210
Those protections you keep mentioning are a myth waiting to happen, to placate progressives.
Veilex
Apr 2013
#219
Not quite correct... the FICA cap raise is not popular with Republican Politicians...
Veilex
Apr 2013
#262
We're all happy it's not falling for you, it's not falling for me either. But I'm a democrat
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#60
What protections did SS beneficiaries need from the Fed Govt? Not a single one!!
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#72
The claim is that by cutting SS benefits through the CCPI, it will help bring down the deficit.
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#98
Since SS had nothing to do with the Deficit, no one should be cutting benefits to pay off
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#110
Why is SS part of these discussions at all? The president doesn't need to do anything to 'protect
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#120
"he is repeating the garbage the far right think tanks like Cato Institute have peddled for years"
woo me with science
Apr 2013
#216
I find them fascinating. Been studying them since Bush awoke me to the danger they can pose
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#37
About 12 years ago I had a bourbon fueled, four hour debate with a Brit at Barney's on just this
Egalitarian Thug
Apr 2013
#42
Can you point to a post here on DU that says 'he is worse than Hitler'? Thank you, I would want
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#17
I thought you meant that DUers were doing this. That poster was properly banned right after
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#31
The person was banned instantly. There have been others here for that many years who didn't
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#44
I share your opinion. A lot of what is said is not criticizing him or holding his feet to any fire.
Little Star
Apr 2013
#92
yep, I always find authoritarian mindsets repellent, and it is not confined to either right wing or
quinnox
Apr 2013
#9
The guy has been sucking since he sold out the public option for health care, IMHO.
grahamhgreen
Apr 2013
#12
no one that I know..wall street, war profiteers, drones, never ending war, gitmo, ss..etc etc. nt
xiamiam
Apr 2013
#55
You never to fail to woo me with your profound knowledge, understanding, logic,
indepat
Apr 2013
#61
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” ― Voltaire
KG
Apr 2013
#76
always derails the subject at hand..its unnatural to be a dem and support everything he's done
xiamiam
Apr 2013
#124
But he puts that disillusionment into what I consider to be its proper perspective.
randome
Apr 2013
#235
The Father Knows Best wing of the party disagrees. Just trust the bosses to do..something.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2013
#111
I would agree, but this message coming out of YOUR mouth, I'm afraid, has tarnished it. n/t
AverageJoe90
Apr 2013
#113
"Whenever anyone disagrees on point, you get "a blind loyalty to and adoration of a Dear Leader."
Puglover
Apr 2013
#147
we have one group here that will ban anyone offering even the most minor criticism
DrDan
Apr 2013
#121
Erich Fromm's 1957 explanation of authoritarian hero-worship still rings very true
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Apr 2013
#135
Unfortunately the jury system can cater to the worshippers. I suspect the jury system is being...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#180
It doesn't matter if a worshipper is right on any issue because better people have a life...
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#175
It's ridiculous to claim that we should not criticize policies with which we disagree
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Apr 2013
#247
Many of those calling to suppress criticism were upset when criticism was thrown at the ACA because
still_one
Apr 2013
#251
The logic of outrage being a bad thing but the 4th estate reviewing it being a good thing
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#264
Boehner did say, more or less, he wanted to see the Chained CPI in the administration's proposal
Babel_17
Apr 2013
#277
You're correct. The problem is that for decades we have been in The Twilight Zone
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Apr 2013
#275