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14. I love that idea, voting on the issues, rather than for people.

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:30 PM

Apr 2013

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But who would decide what issues were on the ballot? And we would have to have some administration.

I do believe Jefferson was right about political parties now. They divide the country and it becomes about personalities rather than about the country and what is best for it.

I know he was fascinated with tribal philosophy. What we need are some wise men and women in power. There is very little wisdom in our system. It is all about money and power and old, used up words such as 'pragmatic' etc. are tossed out without those using them even knowing what they mean half the time.

Definitely a two party system has failed considering we have turned into something the ideals of the country never intended us to be. We are not a democracy, we are an Empire and once a country becomes an Empire its interests are very different. The people are no longer a priority except how they can be used to expand the Empire.

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It's time to examine where my loyalties lie, you judge, I'll just explain my position. [View all] Dragonfli Apr 2013 OP

K&R! We have fallen far! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #1

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Kick! DJ13 Apr 2013 #2

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Here, here! ChaoticTrilby Apr 2013 #57

Dragonfli - i was thinking along these same lines, but truedelphi Apr 2013 #11

I love that idea, voting on the issues, rather than for people. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #14

Perhaps Gingrich had the idea in the 1990's... Blanks Apr 2013 #98

I agree truedelphi and I like Sabrina's take on it Dragonfli Apr 2013 #30

Or maybe we should do something similar to parliamentary type systems Cleita Apr 2013 #50

Might I add (with props to Norman Goldman)... Stardust Apr 2013 #105

Spot on! Veilex Apr 2013 #106

Those are very good ideas. truedelphi Apr 2013 #113

This concept of voting on issues, not canditates, is brilliant. Seriously. Wish I Stardust Apr 2013 #109

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A little history and something I didn't know until yesterday when I was Cleita Apr 2013 #16

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Maybe. Shameful history all the way. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #36

Good find! I must have learned and forgotten that bit from history. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #37

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