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Iterate

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58. 2a and 2b are...
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:40 PM
Feb 2012

more easily solved than people think.

I thought someone else might recognize it in the morning and answer, but since no one has, here it is with its awkwardly arrived conclusion.

I had picked out a few elements from the motif in 2a and did what our little primate brains must do, which is to force a narrative, however wrong, onto a few observations when the background is strong and observations are thin. As an aside, I think that bit of metacognition alone qualifies your weekly thread for GD, because it's what people do here, argue a narrative that explains an observation.

In this case the "background" was a biennial immersion into British history. I had seen the image, and I read it this time as 18th or early 19th century and British. Needless to say, it was quite a challenge to give it more context than that. So I gave up. It was the right move.

Looking again, the level of refinement, a queen who copies, collects art, and isn't Prussian, a crucifix at the end of a marble hall, I mindlessly went to the Hermitage site.

2a is the The Raphael Loggias in the Hermitage. I'll let the site do the heavy lifting of describing it:

"This splendid gallery is a reproduction of Raphael's celebrated Loggias, erected in the Vatican Palace and painted by Raphael and his pupils. The Hermitage copy of the Vatican frescoes was produced in tempera by a group of artists under Cristopher Unterberger. The vaults of the gallery are decorated with paintings based upon Biblical stories. The walls are covered with human and animal forms interwoven with flowers and foliage. Such decorative ornamentation was found in the ruins of Nero's Golden House and was called grotesques. The Raphael Loggias in the Hermitage reveal the links of 18th-century Classicism with Renaissance and Classical art. "

Link with panoramic view:
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/08/hm88_0_1_31.html

2b is the copied Loggia by Raphael in the Apostolic Palace in Rome. There's much more to his story, but time is short,

It only makes sense that the neoclassical would be part of a "double-take".

Thanks so much for these threads. You never know what people will learn from your posting.

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First two Chagall? Lochloosa Feb 2012 #1
Looks like Cezanne? kentuck Feb 2012 #4
I think so too...maybe the second is Renoir? joeybee12 Feb 2012 #9
no cezanne here... CTyankee Feb 2012 #13
not Chagall... CTyankee Feb 2012 #7
what am i supposed to look for?? what's a 'double take'? n/t NMDemDist2 Feb 2012 #2
You and me, both... nt WheelWalker Feb 2012 #3
Please see my explanation at #5. my apologies for not being clearer... CTyankee Feb 2012 #6
Two interpretations of the same thing, or Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #20
yes to both interpretations and copies... CTyankee Feb 2012 #22
sorry. I meant when you see one of the two it looks a lot like the other! CTyankee Feb 2012 #5
Thanks, yank! elleng Feb 2012 #8
love to! But home for the duration of hubby's post op recuperation... CTyankee Feb 2012 #12
OK, OK, whatever you say!!! elleng Feb 2012 #17
I'll email you! stay tuned! CTyankee Feb 2012 #18
TUNED! elleng Feb 2012 #24
Ones: Renoir and Cezanne? librechik Feb 2012 #10
keep going. you're not there...yet... CTyankee Feb 2012 #11
ones: Renoir and Monet librechik Feb 2012 #14
in that order? CTyankee Feb 2012 #16
yes librechik Feb 2012 #19
and you know why? (simple actually)... CTyankee Feb 2012 #21
what's the trick? librechik Feb 2012 #25
Look at the water...I think (not sure) that that is the difference... CTyankee Feb 2012 #28
1a and 1b look like something from one of the "net" twins... catnhatnh Feb 2012 #15
who are they? CTyankee Feb 2012 #23
3a -- A church in the US, possibly Anglican/Episcopalian based on the flags???? Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #26
You are getting there, but the words are not the key to what is the "double" of the CTyankee Feb 2012 #30
I thought the words might have some specific denominational or historical meaning Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #31
what language were they in? English? CTyankee Feb 2012 #32
yep, clear as day when you zoom in! Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #34
AHA! Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #33
Tansy, I don't know how to zoom in on lettering like that. Can you clue me in? CTyankee Feb 2012 #36
zooming and Santiago de Compostela Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #43
Wow, I have no idea Aerows Feb 2012 #27
you are a sweetheart, aerows! CTyankee Feb 2012 #29
Is one of these Trinity Church in Boston? Generic Other Feb 2012 #35
No, it has been guessed as St. Bartholomew's in New York City. CTyankee Feb 2012 #38
Both are Romanesque, right? Generic Other Feb 2012 #41
Oh, yes! St. Gilles du Gard in Nimes! Good for you! CTyankee Feb 2012 #45
Wait a minute! I didn't "guess"! Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #51
Of course, you are right! My apologies. I love that you did the research. CTyankee Feb 2012 #56
This is GD subject matter? Belongs in The Lounge. trof Feb 2012 #37
well, that has been up to the people who make these decisions and they have approved this in GD. CTyankee Feb 2012 #39
Yeah, true. I think they're on a coffee break. trof Feb 2012 #40
We have been doing these in GD forever! Generic Other Feb 2012 #42
Locking. "spoil sport" posts belong in the Sports group. trof Feb 2012 #57
OK, so we have 2a and 2b not guessed! What? CTyankee Feb 2012 #44
I already donated my afternoon to the cause of 3a and 3b. Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #46
Naw, I never do that! But I DO thank you for your effort. Was it worth it? CTyankee Feb 2012 #47
Oh, most definitely worth it! Tansy_Gold Feb 2012 #49
OK, hint on 2a and 2b: A Queen wanted one of these copied for her own country. CTyankee Feb 2012 #48
This one has been driving me mad all evening. Iterate Feb 2012 #50
Oh, go ahead and take a guess--just like Tansy pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #52
Well hey der. Iterate Feb 2012 #53
Ok, I see now where my assumtions were wrong, completely wrong. Iterate Feb 2012 #54
Good for you! I can't wait to read what you have to say! CTyankee Feb 2012 #55
2a and 2b are... Iterate Feb 2012 #58
wonderful explanation! CTyankee Feb 2012 #59
Fantastic explanation Aerows Feb 2012 #60
So do I, as you can tell from that story... CTyankee Feb 2012 #61
Well, sooner or later your are going to infect me Aerows Feb 2012 #62
thanks for your story. It's the "real" reason I run the Challenge. CTyankee Feb 2012 #63
Art is my gentle place Aerows Feb 2012 #64
Any great art can humble you, IMO, whether it be the written word, the concerto, the ballet or CTyankee Feb 2012 #67
1a) looks like a Renoir entanglement Feb 2012 #65
It IS Renoir! CTyankee Feb 2012 #66
Yay entanglement Feb 2012 #68
I LOVE "boating party"! CTyankee Feb 2012 #69
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