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In reply to the discussion: Rachel Mocks UFO Citizen Hearing [View all]Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)319. The grad class from Gilesse 581 actually makes sense--we're the final frat boy ritual...
And 22 lightyears is certainly doable.
As for Drake's equation, no one's arguing that there isn't other intelligent life in the universe. For fuck's sake, we're surrounded by other intelligent species on this planet and we might just find something interesting living under the frozen ice of Europa. Any scientist or sci-fi writer will happily agree that there is other life in the universe; and we'll all agree that some of it is undoubtedly intelligent (by our standards). Probably a lot of it. It's a big universe after all. Hubble deep field picture--a small area of space--found 5,500 galaxies--that's GALAXIES. Our one galaxy has up to 400 billion stars! So. Odds are good.
But Drake's equation doesn't say that said intelligent life is going to appear concurrent with us and/or near enough to reach us. The friggin' dinosaurs lasted 160 million years. If you were an alien species on Gilesse 581 looking at Earth, then for 160 million years all you'd see on our planet were giant, mostly featherless birds. You might well give up looking at Earth after a few million years. And just how long is your civilization going to last anyway? Long enough to catch a glimpse of humans evolving?
And we modern humans--ones that cultivate and build and such, have only been on Earth for 200,000 years. Hmmm. We haven't even managed to make it to 1 million years--we might not make it even that far. My point is, is NOT about whether there is or is not other intelligent life in the universe. Let's not even argue that--there is. There's tons of it! The question is, how many of these beings are at the exact height of FTL space travel RIGHT NOW. Not millions of years ago, not a million years in the future? How many of these planets are waiting for the dinosaurs to die off before something like us can appear? How many had something like us and all we're seeing is the dying star of that once illuminated their civilization, but now is almost gone, and so are they? Many highly intelligent species may not be like us at all. Living under oceans, or in methane atmospheres. Why would they even look for life on planets with land or oxygen?
And how do they find us? 400 BILLION stars. We're hiding at the end of one of the tail ends of the spiral and we've only been sending out radio waves for something like 93 years. I don't for a moment doubt extraterrestrial life is out there. The odds of that are high. But the odds that an advanced race that can--MAYBE--visit us (and we're going to have to accept the breaking of a lot of laws of physics here for that), one that is living now and living near enough to "Hear us," etc, etc, etc....the odds are waaaaaaaaaaaay down on all that. I think we need more than Drake's equation if we're going to argue that aliens have been dropping in on us at all--most especially if we're going to say they did so before radio waves announced our presence to the universe.
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Forgot to mention - the enormous interest she has generated in the topic....nt
fadedrose
Apr 2013
#2
It all gets very very weird. Someone someplace knows a hell of a lot more about all of
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#9
Sci-Fi movies would tell me they are "not" so advanced to avoid crashing
Life Long Dem
Apr 2013
#100
I think there is, in fact, there has to be IMO. No responsible nation is going to let
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#150
Miles O'Brien left CNN because CNN dumped the entire science and technology unit
unrepentant progress
Apr 2013
#63
All things are really possible in a world of infinite permutations and combinations ... it is
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#153
I'd like to think that they are. When I'm even older I will remember that
snappyturtle
Apr 2013
#335
There might be another reason the History Channel mixes UFO stuff in with ghosts, vampires auras,..
Captain Stern
Apr 2013
#108
Pandering to the lowest common denominator and the ignorant masses for profit?
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#216
Thanks! Part of my education was/is in the sciences ... and the more I learned the
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#348
There's more evidence that UFOs exist than there is that God does but she'd NEVER mock
forestpath
Apr 2013
#5
Sorry, but a person having an experience they do not understand does not equate to evidence for god.
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#195
And someone who says that they had an experience which they did understand?
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#208
People saying " I have experienced X" is not evidence for "X", it's evidence of an experience.
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#390
This isnt a U.S. Court, this is reality. And in reality, empirical evidence is the only evidence
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#393
Since you brought up context, did you read this sub-thread to get the context?
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#400
Not worlds apart at all. The empirical evidence for either premise is non-existent.
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#405
I am not mistaken. Currently, there is no empirical evidence to support the existence
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#416
I would consider a war vet who makes those claims to be dealing with bigger issues
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#424
Again, who a person is or what their credentials are mean squat. If there is no empirical evidence
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#438
I totally agree with his theories about the brain. My theory and those of others is that the brain
WCLinolVir
Apr 2013
#408
Rachel only mocks ONE group. And I find her double standard hypocritical and
forestpath
Apr 2013
#222
Sorry, but you don't get to pull the fallacy of "argumentum ad ignorantiam..."
Moonwalk
Apr 2013
#42
The grad class from Gilesse 581 actually makes sense--we're the final frat boy ritual...
Moonwalk
Apr 2013
#319
I hope you're not a Christian. If you are, you have a lot of 'splainin'" to do. nt
snappyturtle
Apr 2013
#341
Yes, I did mean anthropocentric. Excuse me, I'm on muscle relaxers, and had a "moment."
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#221
Yes, they kept and keep open minds, and certainly don't act like our resident know-it-all.
Fantastic Anarchist
Apr 2013
#245
Aliens are not visiting earth. No proof at all. Pilots do not matter. Neither do police. Rachel.....
Logical
Apr 2013
#7
Rachel is not a traditional journalist. Most commentary. Mocking pseudo science falls in that area.
Logical
Apr 2013
#18
They are mistaken. Like PHDs in Geology who claim the earth is 6000 years old. n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#38
We do fly in planes piloted by people who make mistakes. Luckily, there are instruments...
Moonwalk
Apr 2013
#45
Yes it is. Especially if the pilot isn't sober...this may make you never want to fly again--
Moonwalk
Apr 2013
#265
They are not reporting "alien" visitation they are reporting unidentified objects.
xtraxritical
Apr 2013
#86
Then if they AREN'T actually space aliens the pilots claiming to have seen "something weird"
Occulus
Apr 2013
#43
Is your argument that no pilot has ever claimed to see a UFO that was later explained? n-t
Logical
Apr 2013
#46
No, my claim is that all the craft that seem to be UFOs were later explained by advanced craft
Occulus
Apr 2013
#56
+1 ... quite true, it's difficult to be an observer when one has, is in, the same
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#156
If your intution tells you that what you've seen but cannot explain is ghosts, gods, or aliens...
cleanhippie
Apr 2013
#199
I haven't read anywhere on this site of anyone claiming/admitting what they saw was the
snappyturtle
Apr 2013
#337
So do the astronauts count? They have seen things also. My ex-fil was a police detective and tracked
Mnemosyne
Apr 2013
#107
I find it odd that now, when cameras are everywhere and people carry phone everywhere that....
Logical
Apr 2013
#140
Really, no pilot has reported a UFO that was easily explained. Even many UFO "experts" admit most...
Logical
Apr 2013
#379
LOL, then anything might be true! Unicorns! Send me definite proof of ANY.....
Logical
Apr 2013
#382
Are you serious? Want a list of pilots who reported UFOs that turned out to be easily explained???
Logical
Apr 2013
#378
We are evidence of aliens - the notion that we are alone in the universe seems almost like religious
aint_no_life_nowhere
Apr 2013
#434
I'm not suggesting anything. I have no idea what it was. The lights were SO
snappyturtle
Apr 2013
#331
I pray to the Lords that there is 'intelligent life' out there because it sure as hell can't be
Purveyor
Apr 2013
#34
ITA. I didn't see it -- I don't usually watch her show -- but it sounds beneath her to do that.
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#39
but of course, there can't be any other intelligence in the whole universe besides Rachel's.
Whisp
Apr 2013
#51
Sorry but that's thin at best. So-o it was debunked because of projection of
snappyturtle
Apr 2013
#76
And if that technology is thousands, if not millions of years ahead of ours...
theHandpuppet
Apr 2013
#384
I think a lot of them are military top secret, but I can't say for sure that all of them are --
gateley
Apr 2013
#84
My understanding is the hearing is not simply sci fi, living at home, fanboys "demanding truth"
ZX86
Apr 2013
#257
I thought the issue was the way the topic was covered by a supposedly open minded Liberal.
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#75
What I find funny is people who speak with certainty that it's all fake.
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2013
#440
Yep, well said, I do the same. To me, it is quite foolish for one to assume they know everything
RKP5637
Apr 2013
#163
I searched for the COMETA report and it is clear it was not peer reviewed
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#298
The former Congress members who are participating in the fake hearing are being paid $20,000 each
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#302
Ask any legal expert and they will tell you eye witnesses are very unreliable
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#309
Yes it is more complicated than people want to admit, but it is humans complicating it not aliens
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#371
But this is not science, scientists are not claiming we are being visited by aliens
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#166
Has there ever been a case of a commercial airliner colliding with a UFO?
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#282
I don't feel a pilot's personal beliefs are relevant to his safe handling of a plane
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#287
I am basing it on the fact that they claim to have seen something that is scientifically impossible
Bjorn Against
Apr 2013
#316
Funny. "woo-woo" spontaneously flew out of my mouth when I read the thread title.
alphafemale
Apr 2013
#120
Rachel lost me after the 1st debate.No longer care what she says.I Just watch Rev. Al Sharpton.
graham4anything
Apr 2013
#126
if the universe if infinitely large then there must be an infinite number of planets which do
piratefish08
Apr 2013
#127
Years ago, when the SR71 (then as the YF12) was being evaluated/tested, there
bike man
Apr 2013
#135
I had an uncle who was a colonel in the AF during the early part of the cold war
Victor_c3
Apr 2013
#172
The ignorance of science and the scientific method in this thread is astounding
EvolveOrConvolve
Apr 2013
#209
We're all aliens with the DNA they implanted a couple thousand years ago
Life Long Dem
Apr 2013
#233
Rachel is mocking the "panel of gerbils" that are conducting the "investigation."
immoderate
Apr 2013
#305
The "subject matter" should be mocked: there is no such thing as little green men.
apocalypsehow
Apr 2013
#330
same old, same old-- this is a main thing the media loves to mock and cover-up.
NoMoreWarNow
Apr 2013
#354
if she was a "pretty good " psychic wouldn' you not have to ask her questions ?
olddots
Apr 2013
#359