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MichelleB

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Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:04 PM

Apr 2013

When I brought her to her appointment last week and she met with the ob and we all sat down with a social worker. They never called the cops not did DCF. I informed them of who dad was and how old he is. I also informed Winooski PD a well as Milton PD who said that as far as rape charges were concerned, nothing could be done. However, as far as mom -his- is concerned I can get her for harboring a run away minor. They asked her if she was persuaded into sex and she said no. She wanted to. It was supposedly her first time. They told me I could call CUSI (chittenden unit for special investigations) if I wanted but they weren't sure anything could be done... Should they stay together until he's 16, I can nail him then.. But a of now no charges can be pressed.

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"MY 12 year old is pregnant. FOR REAL."... [View all] TeeYiYi Apr 2013 OP

Can't force anyone, even a minor, to have an abortion lolly Apr 2013 #1

That is such a surprise to me... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #4

People are in control of their own bodies. Age is not an impediment to self-determination in that MADem Apr 2013 #106

He's 15. ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #109

If he even exists. MADem Apr 2013 #115

Her story is real... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #122

It's not hard to fire up a FB page--it's pretty easy, in fact. MADem Apr 2013 #125

Wow... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #131

.... MEEE too!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #140

My dog has a facebook page several yrs old. Just because someone has a facebook page does not mean uppityperson Apr 2013 #153

Well... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #157

It could be her but I am not convinced it isn't trolling, looking for anti-choice stuff to uppityperson Apr 2013 #159

Just a cursory look at her facebook page... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #162

I did not ask for it. She said "Check out my Facebook!!" I replied "What facebook?" Quit saying I uppityperson Apr 2013 #169

Umad bro?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #173

what "involvement"? Asking for clarification of a post? Oh dearie me. How DARE I do something uppityperson Apr 2013 #174

You asked. She posted. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #183

You aren't sure why I'm being "so defensive". Gotcha. uppityperson Apr 2013 #184

It happens a lot, which is why people are skeptical octothorpe Apr 2013 #205

People have been faking facebook pages since 2009.... MADem Apr 2013 #289

I suspect something is going on. TexasTowelie Apr 2013 #303

The anti-gay snark she posted in this thread is something else. MADem Apr 2013 #305

This is quite true. However, at 12 years old, an early abortion is safer PDJane Apr 2013 #53

No, she can't. But they can limit contact with the boyfriend pnwmom Apr 2013 #61

Limit contact by sending him to jail for raping a 12 year old. nt MADem Apr 2013 #107

I wonder how old he is? n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #128

According to the OP, 15. white_wolf Apr 2013 #130

Assuming the guy in question is only 15 and it was truly consensual then it wouldn't be rape. white_wolf Apr 2013 #129

The laws are different in each state. Ms. Toad Apr 2013 #138

Apparently, if the victim is 12, it IS rape. Keep reading the thread. A crime was committed. MADem Apr 2013 #292

He's 15. He wouldn't get sent to Jail. cali Apr 2013 #176

Depends on the state laws jeff47 Apr 2013 #180

I live in Vermont. I don't know if he could be charged. I do know that if charged cali Apr 2013 #182

According to what I looked up, he can be charged with sexual assault kdmorris Apr 2013 #215

Charge him with assault and battery. nt MADem Apr 2013 #288

very, very unlikely to happen in this situation where he too is under the age cali Apr 2013 #297

Hee hee!!! MADem Apr 2013 #299

its a trap! ret5hd Apr 2013 #2

Yup. REP Apr 2013 #3

What kind of trap? TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #5

The kind where we liberals root for a 12-year-old to be forced to have an abortion against her will REP Apr 2013 #10

Oh. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #14

I don't have kids, either; but I do have a black belt in pro-choice :-) REP Apr 2013 #47

I know you're right and I agree with you... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #57

Social worker MichelleB Apr 2013 #73

You're in a tough situation... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #75

If she's no longer allowed to see the boyfriend Mariana Apr 2013 #79

Why has the 3 yr older boy not been reported for statutory rape? uppityperson Apr 2013 #88

In the state of Vermont MichelleB Apr 2013 #95

That does not appear to be true kdmorris Apr 2013 #154

Things cops never told me.... MichelleB Apr 2013 #164

and the doctor you took her to didn't report it to the cops? arely staircase Apr 2013 #233

No. MichelleB Apr 2013 #252

Doctors in Vermont are mandated reporters. Here is the info. They have to. Within 24 hrs. Period. uppityperson Apr 2013 #261

I'm smelling a very large rat, here--it was a wee mouse before. Now it's a honking water rat! MADem Apr 2013 #290

If you are responsible for your Daughter, Turbineguy Apr 2013 #145

you're contradicting yourself. You're claiming that your daughter has only cali Apr 2013 #147

On the news, in social media, perhaps in a hijacked "Health" class or 2. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #257

not in Vermont will you find a highjacked health class. No way. not in public school. cali Apr 2013 #264

May well be a bullshit story. But that is not the nit I'm picking. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #274

"How does a twelve year old who has only heard of abortion referred to as murder, make it??" Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #282

A doctor should be involved in every pregnancy, period REP Apr 2013 #190

I'm so with you on this one.... FarPoint Apr 2013 #229

:) Horse with no Name Apr 2013 #327

Exactly. My bullshit detector is pinned. Warpy Apr 2013 #33

Yes, I was thinking that too lolly Apr 2013 #40

I noticed that too gollygee Apr 2013 #68

Then what was wrong with me? Fawke Em Apr 2013 #72

Should be NO SWELLING MichelleB Apr 2013 #135

Happened to my sister... onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #255

Knew it was a fake post at "gallevanting" alphafemale Apr 2013 #143

my fraud detector is going off riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #150

I have a feeling you might be correct. TexasTowelie Apr 2013 #302

Sounds like something an O'Keefe flavored RWinger would pose. DirkGently Apr 2013 #199

You nailed it. It STINKS of O'Keefe type shit. cali Apr 2013 #268

Makes me wonder why it is still here Hekate Apr 2013 #322

It's funny how they feel they have to add something to make it more awful treestar Apr 2013 #269

Yes. Something's off here. Squinch Apr 2013 #43

That's what I thought Hekate Apr 2013 #96

I was wondering that myself. Why DU of all places? white_wolf Apr 2013 #132

And coming to an ARCHIVED thread to breach the topic, to boot....! MADem Apr 2013 #291

This situation only makes me want to really watch who my granddaughter and wonder who she southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #6

Is this where we all say "Cool story, bro!" Quantess Apr 2013 #7

Possibly. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #8

Yeah, I hate to say this since the story could be true, but I think we are being trolled. white_wolf Apr 2013 #134

She's no troll. Her story is true... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #136

Fair enough. I'll admit I'm biased in this because... white_wolf Apr 2013 #137

Thank you white Wolfe MichelleB Apr 2013 #141

This sucks. But women own their own bodies. bravenak Apr 2013 #9

A 12-year old girl is not a woman. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #52

Tell that to her ovaries. bravenak Apr 2013 #56

She still owns her body Warpy Apr 2013 #65

Frankly, this sounds like -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #11

Wtf??? Control-Z Apr 2013 #13

Don't think it was meant that way lolly Apr 2013 #44

Exactly my point. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #46

I guess it did. Control-Z Apr 2013 #51

I caught one once Hekate Apr 2013 #98

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #12

Those 3 posts were in the middle of the night. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #15

I'm not holding my breath dlwickham Apr 2013 #41

You won't need to... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #77

So let the 12 year old have the baby. It's really not that big of a deal. cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #16

Wow. Just. Wow. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #18

Shocking, isn't it? Control-Z Apr 2013 #20

I am wondering if it was made under the assumption it is a "troll" post. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #22

This entire thread is Control-Z Apr 2013 #36

Not sure what the shock is all about.... cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #25

The mother stated that the girl lied to her about where / who IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #27

OMG!! Thank you!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #84

You do have a say. And you should get a lawyer. And you should be there in the exam room. Hekate Apr 2013 #100

She has no say here. We have a son who was 16 and we were not allowed to see his test results even NotThisTime Apr 2013 #142

You're inferring a lot there Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #28

Wow. Those are some very interesting assumptions. n/t gollygee Apr 2013 #69

Not sure if serious slackmaster Apr 2013 #54

Mother cannot do anything leftynyc Apr 2013 #17

This is not for real dem in texas Apr 2013 #19

Good lord, you read my mind. Great summary of what I find off about this. uppityperson Apr 2013 #26

yep. popped in to say the same thing. RudynJack Apr 2013 #70

This is a shitty place to get medical/preganancy/legal advice, anyway.... MADem Apr 2013 #112

Really?? MichelleB Apr 2013 #126

I know a lot about Vermont. I've lived here for 35 years. In the Kingdom. cali Apr 2013 #148

Tell that to DCF MichelleB Apr 2013 #167

Are you calling cali a liar? I agree, "You CAN'T tell where a person is from by the way they text.. uppityperson Apr 2013 #171

I don't have any doubt that this poster is NOT from Vermont. cali Apr 2013 #179

I agree with you.. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #213

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #251

Hello? Did you read my post? I've lived here for fucking decades. In the Kingdom. Odd as hell cali Apr 2013 #177

Yeaaa and im in Winooski!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #249

Sneakers. IF You're from Winooski. You should know exactly what I'm referring to cali Apr 2013 #267

So pro-choice means anti-parent??? ret5hd Apr 2013 #239

WTF are you on about with that "PRO GAY" remark? You're definitely in the wrong place. MADem Apr 2013 #304

My scam radar is also going off. FarPoint Apr 2013 #227

Umm... "She was all for aborting until the boyfriend had something to say about it. He'd leave her." Avalux Apr 2013 #21

Funny how the mom is automatically to blame, isn't it? IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #24

because this is clearly trolling bullshit. for pete's sake, Ida. cali Apr 2013 #67

Jury results kiva Apr 2013 #156

thanks.. Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #228

Hmmm... one_voice Apr 2013 #23

+1000 bunnies Apr 2013 #32

right on every point arely staircase Apr 2013 #226

I stopped reading at "hood rats." Brickbat Apr 2013 #29

++++ marions ghost Apr 2013 #34

Yep. Dead give-away. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #82

So many "'hoods" in Vermont, doncha know..... MADem Apr 2013 #118

it reads like some brietbart wannabe (or actual brietbart staffers) mimicking arely staircase Apr 2013 #234

Sounds a little too much like the plot to "Up to the Lake" but I'll offer advice. Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #30

I don't buy it for one nanosecond. It's a ghastly anti-choicer trollkin. cali Apr 2013 #31

as i said upthread arely staircase Apr 2013 #235

i dont buy it for one second. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #35

+1 - My thoughts exactly LeftInTX Apr 2013 #58

++1 ropi Apr 2013 #62

I'm calling anti-choice troll BS. Oh, and how old is the BF? He's probably older and kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #37

She says he's 15... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #48

My thoughts too Mz Pip Apr 2013 #49

If you feel the need to post ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #38

Her post was a response... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #66

Her body, her choice. 10 years old or 70, no matter what. LittleBlue Apr 2013 #39

This. Is. A. Troll. Lock the thread. mn9driver Apr 2013 #42

Thanks for this input. Brickbat Apr 2013 #45

Time to stick a scissors obliviously Apr 2013 #64

yes...agreed ropi Apr 2013 #71

eek Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #76

I call bullshit MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #50

I agree with the "it's a trap" assessments. PeaceNikki Apr 2013 #55

This smells trollie. If not, Shrike47 Apr 2013 #59

Which might well be the goal of the father's family. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #263

Strip her room. Take away all the fun in her life. Xithras Apr 2013 #60

i think this story is fake, but assuming it's true, if she wants to have the baby that's what you JI7 Apr 2013 #63

I think it's fake, too, but if it's true, she should sue the parents of the boy for monetary MADem Apr 2013 #121

You're being unfair... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #123

No I'm not. MADem Apr 2013 #124

Did you even look at the OP she responded to?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #127

Gee, maybe an IP comparison wouldn't be amiss. MADem Apr 2013 #294

Google: Compliacation of pregnant 12 year olds... MichelleB Apr 2013 #133

actually, there are "hoods" in Vermont cali Apr 2013 #149

Not much though....and it's what, a forty mile bike ride to "dangerous" Montpelier from Winooski? MADem Apr 2013 #293

lol. no kidding cali Apr 2013 #296

Burlington, Essex, Winooski, South Burlington all have "hoods" in them and I've met plenty of them NotThisTime Apr 2013 #298

Anyone can shoot anyone, or rob a store, anywhere--you don't need a "hood" to make that happen. nt MADem Apr 2013 #300

The hoods are supplying the hoods in Burlington NotThisTime Apr 2013 #311

Well, it is a little white for my crowd, but I've been up to the Northeast Kingdom a time or twenty. MADem Apr 2013 #313

wait a minute: You actually think that only gang members hold up stores or shoot people? cali Apr 2013 #318

Please share them!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #139

Try googling your state attorney general and legal aid for starters. MADem Apr 2013 #301

Excellent post, MADem Hekate Apr 2013 #325

Thank you. I hope the mechanisms that keep DU reasonably pulled together are aware of this MADem Apr 2013 #326

Her body, her choice. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #74

Adoption can be beautiful SouthCarolina Apr 2013 #78

Welcome to DU, SouthCarolina... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #86

Welcome to DU SouthCarolina! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #104

Why are we discussing this? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #80

Did you miss post #73... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #83

No it shouldn't and yes I am!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #85

What facebook? uppityperson Apr 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author MichelleB Apr 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #92

Please do not post all this personal info, self delete please. uppityperson Apr 2013 #93

Don't let rude posters get to you, MichelleB... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #91

Hey Michelle...some DUers are overly suspicious. dkf Apr 2013 #114

Sounds like something that lives under a bridge. Apophis Apr 2013 #81

If he is 15 and she is 12, it is statutory rape and should be reported to police. uppityperson Apr 2013 #87

Not in the state of Vermont MichelleB Apr 2013 #94

Too young for accountability? You must account for your daughter. Put the baby up for adoption. SugarShack Apr 2013 #97

Adoption MichelleB Apr 2013 #105

You mentioned the boyfriend's parents want her to keep the baby... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #108

Hahahaha!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #119

so she and the boyfreind are "together"? you permit this, or can't stop it? arely staircase Apr 2013 #232

Allow me to explain... MichelleB Apr 2013 #253

I'd start with Doc McStuffins snooper2 Apr 2013 #247

What an absurd post. Parental rights do hold sway, here. MADem Apr 2013 #315

Theoretically though, Mr. X Apr 2013 #99

Good Advice!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #101

About college... Mr. X Apr 2013 #111

Feeling horribile MichelleB Apr 2013 #113

Sad isn't it? Mr. X Apr 2013 #117

For her own good MichelleB Apr 2013 #120

Get yourself one of those compurterized baby dolls and have her start notadmblnd Apr 2013 #165

Talked about that with a social worker MichelleB Apr 2013 #168

A teacher or counciler at her middle school should be able to borrow one from the HS notadmblnd Apr 2013 #172

I'm glad you came back Control-Z Apr 2013 #102

Thanks!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #103

Good luck, Michelle LittleBlue Apr 2013 #110

Thank you!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #116

She's 12 wickerwoman Apr 2013 #185

Thank you, well said. nt uppityperson Apr 2013 #188

Please see my other post above - that doesn't appear to be true kdmorris Apr 2013 #155

Are you saying... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #158

"Anyone, regardless of age, commits sexual assault in Vermont when he has sexual intercourse with a" uppityperson Apr 2013 #160

Well that's not exactly true... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #161

Wouldn't that make both of them guilty of sexual assault? CokeMachine Apr 2013 #241

It appears to be saying that kdmorris Apr 2013 #163

Thanks kdmorris... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #170

If she's 12 and has never changed a diaper in her life, wickerwoman Apr 2013 #144

Even watching "16 & Pregnant" YarnAddict Apr 2013 #146

Start sending the bills to the boyfriends parents today cap Apr 2013 #151

Good post. Thank you. ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #152

A pregnant child of that age is evidence of rape, even if she had tblue37 Apr 2013 #166

persuaded the maybe real, maybe not boyfriend of what? cali Apr 2013 #175

From the OP, he is apparently the one who persuaded the girl not to have an tblue37 Apr 2013 #194

OK, let's be clear: It's up to the girl-whether she was persuaded or not cali Apr 2013 #208

Apparently it's not too late for that... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #181

At what age do you think someone should be able to chose? Pro-choice at what age? uppityperson Apr 2013 #186

so you're all for parents forcing a child to bear a child? cali Apr 2013 #187

I think she is for forced abortions, not forcing to bear a child. uppityperson Apr 2013 #189

If by "forced abortions"... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #193

At what age do you think someone should be allowed to chose? When should pro-choice kick in. uppityperson Apr 2013 #197

From my post... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #191

that is wrong. As wrong as a parent who forces a child to bear a baby. cali Apr 2013 #192

I didn't say... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #196

"I would absolutely insist that my 12 year old child terminate this pregnancy" uppityperson Apr 2013 #198

I would also insist... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #200

Pro-forced abortion. Thank you for clarifying. The OP got what they were looking for. uppityperson Apr 2013 #202

From post #196... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #203

2 things. hahahahahahaha. Secondly, "As my daughter", you are your daughter. Got it. uppityperson Apr 2013 #204

do we have proof this was a setup? I'm convinced it was but I'd like some evidence cali Apr 2013 #207

No proof but I am convinced also. And my "friend" uppityperson Apr 2013 #209

What are you? The grammar police?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #210

You do not have a daughter? Oh. Kay. That makes your being for forced abortion clearer. Goodbye. uppityperson Apr 2013 #211

"Forced abortions." Whatever, uppityperson... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #212

You mean when you falsely accused me of it. Not mad but it all is coming together now. uppityperson Apr 2013 #214

Yep. You're mad. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #216

You agree with forced abortions and take pride in making someone mad. Huh. uppityperson Apr 2013 #217

Ok, uppityperson, get ready for it... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #242

I find your continued endorsement of this OTIO rather curious. MADem Apr 2013 #307

Exactly Aerows Apr 2013 #309

The entire story is BS Aerows Apr 2013 #224

can the mods please check into this ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #178

Agreed. nt. Euphoria Apr 2013 #195

It's horseshit Aerows Apr 2013 #220

the DU jury screwed up ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #236

you are going on my ignore list - enough of this ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #201

I would tell the girl that the boyfriend will leave her Ilsa Apr 2013 #206

Oh, he'll leave her... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #324

There are ways Aerows Apr 2013 #218

I hope you're wrong, Aerows.... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #245

Here's the first reason you need to buy a clue. Aerows Apr 2013 #270

Why do you think... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #277

It has been pointed out repeatedly Aerows Apr 2013 #281

i smell bullshit. if it is true, shame on her (the mom) arely staircase Apr 2013 #219

I smell horseshit. Some shit anyway. lonestarnot Apr 2013 #231

People sign up on DU all the time... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #248

Anyone in the market for a used bridge? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #221

No kidding! n/t Aerows Apr 2013 #223

does it come with a tenant under it? cali Apr 2013 #230

!!! Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #238

You too, Ruby?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #246

I'd hate to have a mother broadcasting these details with thousands on an internet forum. I do hope uppityperson Apr 2013 #258

So far, I don't think that's happened. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #259

Do you realize this thread is being discussed on conservative sites? nt uppityperson Apr 2013 #260

No,... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #262

Gee, wonder how rabid conservatives might have found such a thread? MADem Apr 2013 #295

Knock me over with a feather Aerows Apr 2013 #308

If it is real... a la izquierda Apr 2013 #265

A 12 year old Aerows Apr 2013 #272

Case in point a la izquierda Apr 2013 #273

It wasn't just the original story Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #266

If she has a pregnant 12 year old Aerows Apr 2013 #271

I'm not convinced that a 15 year old would be prosecuted in a case cali Apr 2013 #286

I don't buy it Aerows Apr 2013 #287

The link that you provided... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #317

No, but I have cheap waterbottom property 200 miles due west of San Francisco Zorra Apr 2013 #275

Could you relocate it to Manhattan? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #276

Best I can do is a beautiful view property southeast of Manhattan Beach. Zorra Apr 2013 #283

good lord MFM008 Apr 2013 #222

Please! Aerows Apr 2013 #225

NOPE, I wonder why this poster thinks they can DiverDave Apr 2013 #237

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #240

tell michelle to get the fuck off DU and go call the police SmileyRose Apr 2013 #243

+ 1000..really, your 12 year old is pg and you're seeking advice from a bunch of internet strangers? likesmountains 52 Apr 2013 #254

Of the nearly 300 responses, I think this one makes the most sense - if the story bike man Apr 2013 #279

Adoption may be the only option for the child Generic Other Apr 2013 #244

Oh... LegalScholar Apr 2013 #250

Welcome to DU, LegalScholar... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #256

Congratulations youve made this BS th top search on google and bing Drew Richards Apr 2013 #278

+1000 cali Apr 2013 #284

It is so obvious Aerows Apr 2013 #285

the admins used to be much quicker on the trigger on the old DU... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #320

I used to be a mod under DU2 Aerows Apr 2013 #321

MichelleB, this isn't the right place to seek advice fried eggs Apr 2013 #280

I'm beginning to think Aerows Apr 2013 #306

LOL good one for historical and current news reference Drew Richards Apr 2013 #310

OK I have one more thing to say about this TeeYiYi and take it to heart... Drew Richards Apr 2013 #312

Well, that puts the "googled it" theory to rest.... nt MADem Apr 2013 #314

thanks again. yet another clue that this is baiting bullshit. cali Apr 2013 #316

You and your anti-gay friend owe me a new bullshit meter, Jamastiene Apr 2013 #319

I'll admit... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #323

Update? New.Rules.NJ Oct 2013 #328

Welcome to DU... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #329

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #330