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TheKentuckian

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44. Give the same amount of trust and skepticism to "our" folks as "the opposition" to start

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:36 PM

Apr 2013

Don't allow yourself to substitute what you hope is meant for what is meant when presented with open rhetoric.

Refuse to ignore when the walk doesn't match the talk, no matter how great that talk is without serious questions getting serious answers.

Making the opposition the standard of measure is always a bad idea, even when one is forced to take the least bad, least bad should know that they are accountable to a higher standard or the ground will crack beneath their feet.

Make economics priority and filter #1, see who they have surrounded themselves with on such matters.

Did we force the option or was it provided to us blessed from the very folks we are trying to corral?

Are we talking about changing the game or employing new tactics to the same old environment?

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In 2008 I supported John Edwards....And then Obama. ...What was I thinking? [View all] Armstead Apr 2013 OP

He made good speeches. jsr Apr 2013 #1

Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #2

Believe it or not I try to Armstead Apr 2013 #4

Hey, ProSense Apr 2013 #21

You usually do think I'm absolutely wrong Armstead Apr 2013 #60

"focus on some of the positive" hfojvt Apr 2013 #17

Positive: ProSense Apr 2013 #20

"Ignore the smell of the decaying corpse in the middle of the room . . ." markpkessinger Apr 2013 #85

Enough of that ProSense. If he can't stand up for seniors on Social Security JDPriestly Apr 2013 #92

We can only hope for the best and keep voting and nudging all the time. olddots Apr 2013 #3

I don't advocate giving up Armstead Apr 2013 #5

+1 Phlem Apr 2013 #80

R from me xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #6

I was one of the lemmings in that one I guess Armstead Apr 2013 #7

I still don't regret supporting Edwards hfojvt Apr 2013 #18

I'd still vote for John Edwards. tblue Apr 2013 #57

Guess what. You'll Never Have to Vote for Obama nor Edwards for President Ever Again Yavin4 Apr 2013 #8

Probably have to convince myself yet again that the next Corporate Dem.... Armstead Apr 2013 #13

Sometimes I think it is good to reflect on our political journeys Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #15

I guess that Hillary is a fighter hfojvt Apr 2013 #23

We are talking shades of corporate here, obviously Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #27

Oh yeah, I guess Hillary was too ambitious. Beacool Apr 2013 #49

it's not about being ambitious hfojvt Apr 2013 #55

"Hillary's only principles, only purpose seemed to be - elect Hillary". Beacool Apr 2013 #58

"Change the name to Obama and I would agree." Number23 Apr 2013 #66

No more boring and irrelevant as that of the Obama perpetual apologists. Beacool Apr 2013 #67

Yeah, being the PERPETUAL Hillary apologist is so much more worthy of your time Number23 Apr 2013 #68

You are either being funny or disingenuous. Beacool Apr 2013 #69

LOL Love your desperate attempts to change the subject Number23 Apr 2013 #70

Everyone? Beacool Apr 2013 #73

Yes, dear. EVERYONE. Number23 Apr 2013 #74

Whatever............. Beacool Apr 2013 #79

You're right. That is certainly not something you'll ever have to worry about. Number23 Apr 2013 #87

Are we in high school? Beacool Apr 2013 #90

What happened to your clever "whatever" and "bye" from like, 5 posts ago? Number23 Apr 2013 #91

Sweetie, you got issues. Beacool Apr 2013 #96

If you mean "I hate haters," then yes, you are right Number23 Apr 2013 #100

make a difference HOW? hfojvt Apr 2013 #72

Can't agree with your last point. tblue Apr 2013 #59

If that isn't a given with you, Zoeisright Apr 2013 #43

I didn't say I'd ever support a Repuglican Armstead Apr 2013 #61

Focus on Congress, cast a symbolic vote for president. If we have a strong, progressive Dem sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #89

This reflects my experiences exactly, AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #9

Yeah that would be me as well PDittie Apr 2013 #11

I had qualms about Obama almost from the start hfojvt Apr 2013 #25

Oh please Larrylarry Apr 2013 #10

I'm very aware of Congress....Pissed at them too. But still.... Armstead Apr 2013 #12

+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Apr 2013 #35

Oh please ljm2002 Apr 2013 #36

Obama's failures kaiserhog Apr 2013 #14

The FIRST thing Obama DID do was the stimulus - and it was as big as could pass Congress karynnj Apr 2013 #29

re: Deepwater Horizon... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #37

The first thing was coincidence and had nothing to do with the problem karynnj Apr 2013 #39

Well of course the timing was coincidence... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #41

dazzled by star quality and "electability" memes in my case carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #16

It is true that Dean is far far more real than Edwards, but so was John Kerry karynnj Apr 2013 #32

no argument on any of your points, but by the VA primary Kerry looked like a done deal carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #42

+1 That "electability" crap. Don't get me started. woo me with science Apr 2013 #33

In 2008 I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.. ananda Apr 2013 #19

In 2008 I went for Kuch and Edwards... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #22

That was my trajectory as well... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #40

On positions, Kuch was the one I more closely identified with Armstead Apr 2013 #62

Obama said in 2008 that he was no liberal ozone_man Apr 2013 #24

Could it be that had Dean won the nomination and Presidency, you would have been dissapointed karynnj Apr 2013 #38

My take, as a Hardcore Deaniac... TDale313 Apr 2013 #54

I have also said that Dean was right - especially on the 50 state strategy karynnj Apr 2013 #71

I was concerned about a Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton lock on the presidency AndyA Apr 2013 #26

I supported Obama - but it was because I could not overlook the obvious phoniness of Edwards karynnj Apr 2013 #28

I also supported John Edwards in 2008 for the same reasons you did. forestpath Apr 2013 #30

I didn't even vote in the primary, because it seemed pointless, a choice between Zorra Apr 2013 #31

I too though Obama would be more liberal than Hillary gvstn Apr 2013 #34

Give the same amount of trust and skepticism to "our" folks as "the opposition" to start TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #44

Alasd the environment seem set in stone...So my own hope has been that... Armstead Apr 2013 #63

I think that path has been closed off, lots of fail safes and bureaucratic entropy since FDR TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #102

This is exactly what happened with me. Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #45

You do realize that Obama couldn't actually do much in his first term, right? AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #46

The obstructionm will be there regardless of what Obama did (does) Armstead Apr 2013 #64

I think the bigger problem is the poor choices we have to begin with usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #47

Bingo! And welcome to DU! immoderate Apr 2013 #53

Thank you immoderate, good to be here with so many kindred spirits! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #56

So, knowing what you know now what would you have done in 2008? DCBob Apr 2013 #48

With wisdom of hindsight I would porobably have rolled the dice on Hillary Armstead Apr 2013 #65

Well, that's what happens when you vote for someone who has a short record. Beacool Apr 2013 #50

Me too. However, I was excited by John Edwards because I liked his message Cleita Apr 2013 #51

Wow, I didn't realize all the people here were for Edwards.The $400 haircut man. graham4anything Apr 2013 #52

Same thing many of us were thinking Carolina Apr 2013 #75

Who are you going to vote for if she is our nominee? Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #76

No one Carolina Apr 2013 #93

We're already on the slow road now...I can't live with that...although I'm not very pleased. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #95

Sadly, Auntie Bush Carolina Apr 2013 #97

Me too. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #98

I have one grown son Carolina Apr 2013 #99

This place is going to be a nightmare for 3 1/2 years until we all get back to.... Walk away Apr 2013 #77

No different than its been for the last 12 years Armstead Apr 2013 #84

You were thinking, "Is this really the best we can do?" BlueStreak Apr 2013 #78

What happened at 1 AM yesterday that got you all excited? eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #81

Came home after a long day and night of helping girlfriend move.. Armstead Apr 2013 #83

Same thing I was, that his mixed health care plan had a chance Warpy Apr 2013 #82

Brutal honesty is rarely appreciated at the time. But, thank you, anyway. leveymg Apr 2013 #86

I'm thinking that the XXII amendment was a bad idea. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #88

There is nothing wrong with being blind madokie Apr 2013 #94

He is as he presented himself to be: a moderate Democrat. If you saw something else, Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #101