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DallasNE

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54. Please Explain

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:20 PM

Apr 2013

These purchases were from a gun show. The article does not say at what point these buyers handed over the weapons to CNN security. Unless the buyer took these weapons into another State the buyers have broken no law with this purchase that I can see.

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CNN undercover agent purchases semi auto handguns & rifle without ID or paper work [View all] fried eggs Apr 2013 OP

Justification - Simple - Gun Manufacturers Fund Republican/Democratic Campaigns - Game - Set - Match cantbeserious Apr 2013 #1

Excuse me... 99Forever Apr 2013 #11

If this is illegal, file complaints with the appropriate law-enforcement agencies. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #2

The people who sold the firearms didn't do anything illegal. The buyers did. slackmaster Apr 2013 #8

What law did the buyers break? doc03 Apr 2013 #12

Title 18 of the United States Code, � 922, paragraph (a) slackmaster Apr 2013 #16

If me as an individual sells a gun to someone that says he lives in my state. How would they ever doc03 Apr 2013 #19

You've got it, doc03. slackmaster Apr 2013 #21

Well, I know of one DU member that has called for checkpoints at state lines premium Apr 2013 #27

They would find one handgun on my person and 10 bullets for it when I cross ... spin Apr 2013 #95

Hey I bought this gun from a guy that said he lived 5 miles out road from me in the same state, how doc03 Apr 2013 #22

Like most of the laws we live under, compliance is mostly voluntary. Good people won't violate it. slackmaster Apr 2013 #24

Yep. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #31

What about people who are a complex mixture of good, bad IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #36

If they engage in unlawful coomerce in firearms, they're bad. slackmaster Apr 2013 #37

Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to say. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #43

18 USC 922(a) can be read by anyone and verify that IT DOESN'T SAY what you represent it to say AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #49

Read down to 922(a)3 petronius Apr 2013 #52

Where is the BATF? Hangingon Apr 2013 #58

Sub-paragraph (A) is subordinate to paragraph (1) slackmaster Apr 2013 #86

Yes. But so what? Your assumption that none of the members of CNN crew were from AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #92

The video and writeup are conspucuously free of any kind of disclaimers along those lines slackmaster Apr 2013 #101

So what? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #104

I'm tired of arguing with you slackmaster Apr 2013 #106

Please Explain DallasNE Apr 2013 #54

The CNN crew visited multiple gun shows in different states while compiling the story. slackmaster Apr 2013 #61

That Doesn't Answer The Question DallasNE Apr 2013 #65

Unless the CNN employee making the purchase was a resident of the state ... sl8 Apr 2013 #69

The Discussion Isn't DallasNE Apr 2013 #71

There is no federal law that requires a non-licensee selling a used firearm to ask the buyer for ID. slackmaster Apr 2013 #84

"CNN security" has an exemption from the Gun Control Act of 1968? Recursion Apr 2013 #74

CNN Security Is NOT The Issue DallasNE Apr 2013 #75

If they're not the issue why did you say handing it over to them solved it? Recursion Apr 2013 #76

Because CNN Security Is Not The Issue So It Is A Very Minor Point DallasNE Apr 2013 #77

The sale was only illegal because they weren't residents of the state they bought it in Recursion Apr 2013 #79

I Listened To Anderson Cooper DallasNE Apr 2013 #81

But none of the sellers were dealers as far as I can tell Recursion Apr 2013 #82

They were private citizens selling their personal weapons, premium Apr 2013 #88

That Is Not Established By The CNN Report DallasNE Apr 2013 #97

I agree with most of your points. premium Apr 2013 #98

They damn sure did something immoral, unethical, detrimental to society, etc. Hoyt Apr 2013 #30

You're right premium Apr 2013 #32

Typical gun cultist response -- to outing the immoral behavior of the gun crowd. Hoyt Apr 2013 #34

Gun cultist? premium Apr 2013 #35

That's often part of investigative journalism, though. randome Apr 2013 #40

Didn't say they were, premium Apr 2013 #42

Thanks, but it's still not going to work. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47

I know, premium Apr 2013 #48

You Don't Know That DallasNE Apr 2013 #55

They also illustrated the weakness of these laws. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #70

Actually, your statement is exactly contrary to what was said in the OP: AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #38

Please cite the law that creates the seller's alleged obligations. slackmaster Apr 2013 #53

You can ask the author of the OP. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #56

The OP doesn't say that any laws were violated slackmaster Apr 2013 #63

Nor should it. You are the one who said "8. The people who sold the firearms didn't do anything AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #67

The buyers most certainly did violate the law slackmaster Apr 2013 #83

Unless all the elements of any alleged crime are supported by evidence, there is no factual AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #91

I am not the judiciary. I don't owe anyone a presumption of innocence. slackmaster Apr 2013 #100

Obviously you are not in the judiciary. Obviously you don't owe anyone a presumption of AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #103

My belief that they committed multiple crimes is based on CNN's own content slackmaster Apr 2013 #105

Not My Reading On This Type Of Sale At All DallasNE Apr 2013 #51

No, states can require that sellers at a gun show be licensed dealers. slackmaster Apr 2013 #62

You're Saying That Wikipedia Is Wrong On The Law DallasNE Apr 2013 #66

Wikipedia wrong? Color me shocked. The burden of proof is on YOU to cite a federal law... slackmaster Apr 2013 #85

Why do you say that you must be a licensed dealer to sell at a gun show? sl8 Apr 2013 #68

CNN Implies They Bought From A Dealer DallasNE Apr 2013 #72

I disagree that they implied that they were buying from dealers sl8 Apr 2013 #73

This Was Filmed At Booths Set Up Inside The Gun Show DallasNE Apr 2013 #78

There is no requirement to be 'in the business' to get a booth, no. X_Digger Apr 2013 #93

The thing is it is completely leagal, so what are the laws that aren't doc03 Apr 2013 #9

Are you unaware of what was written in the OP: AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #39

The OP is mistaken. slackmaster Apr 2013 #64

This is what people mean when they say "enforce existing laws" Recursion Apr 2013 #3

Existing laws aren't enough to make sure convicted domestic abusers fried eggs Apr 2013 #6

This is true. But if we aren't enforcing the laws we have now why would we start enforcing new ones? Recursion Apr 2013 #17

Having more tools in your bag won't hurt anything. moondust Apr 2013 #33

Yes. Ongoing sting operations to weed out the lawbreakers. randome Apr 2013 #41

Send it over to the Gungeon for expert analysis. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #4

Looks like they're already on it fried eggs Apr 2013 #13

Hmmm "someone broke a gun law, quick make another so I feel better!" The Straight Story Apr 2013 #5

Even if the sellers had not broken the law, the existing laws fried eggs Apr 2013 #10

Right now, the only national background check system that provides a definitive ruling as to... slackmaster Apr 2013 #26

...and violated federal law when they transported any of the weapons across any state line. slackmaster Apr 2013 #7

Actually, no. See #49. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #50

First thing that came to mind NickB79 Apr 2013 #96

I'd like to see them do an expose on how easy it is to negotiate with prostitutes in major US cities slackmaster Apr 2013 #102

Anyone who broke the law here should be prosecuted, but I suspect the only petronius Apr 2013 #14

Some states, read California and Colorado for example, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #15

CA and CO are not among the states mentioned - if the specific states in question petronius Apr 2013 #20

The point the unit was making is how easy it s to nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #23

Yeah, I got that. Did you fail to understand that my original comment was addressing petronius Apr 2013 #25

The media has no more protection than any other private citizen ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #45

Bullshit, the media has no more privilege than private citizens ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #44

Yep. premium Apr 2013 #90

How many times a day, 365 days a year, is the repeated? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #18

Enforcement assumes documentation and prosecution for non compliance. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #28

Guns Guns Guns AndyA Apr 2013 #29

What CNN Needed To Do DallasNE Apr 2013 #46

That might be interesting Revanchist Apr 2013 #57

Great Additions To The List DallasNE Apr 2013 #59

The people emplyed by CNN have proven that they Jenoch Apr 2013 #60

Hack sensationalistic journalism Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #80

All the gun worshipers here who say there's no gun show loophole are full of shit. baldguy Apr 2013 #87

We understand how private sales work hack89 Apr 2013 #89

So, once again... krispos42 Apr 2013 #94

So easy BATF can do it One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #99