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daveMN

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43. To all those above who doubt Adam Lanza was bullied
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:35 PM
Apr 2013

you must be disconnected from reality or something.

Obviously, it doesn't excuse his crime. It should go without saying that nothing anyone may have done to him could justify what he did. If you think the family is trying to deflect blame, fine, but it doesn't really matter now. In fact, I always just assumed he was bullied.

Do you really believe that a quiet, odd kid who apparently had an autism spectrum disorder or something similar was never bullied in school? Kids can be merciless - all it takes is to be a little different; the more different you are, the more difficulty you have with social skills, the bigger target you become. I can attest - it was always a problem for me, especially in elementary school and junior high; and I was merely a shy, nerdy kid. It happens at every school across the country, elementary, middle, high school, for sure. I was still in school not that long ago, I remember the terms that would get thrown around casually, just to get a laugh. "Retard", "homo", "that's gay", "skank", "dicklick", "douchebag" - even "short bus" and "special education" could be used as insults. (Not saying that I think any of those in particular were targeted at Lanza.) Those only scratch the surface. It's not surprising that whether physical or just verbal, it can leave an emotional scar. Whatever bullying he suffered later on probably only reinforced and intensified his memories from when he went to Sandy Hook.

I do understand the desire to assign blame. I know I am supposed to hate Lanza, or at least his mother. Instead I am just sad. When he was born, it was not necessary that he would one day become a monster - his life could have taken many other paths. I don't know enough about him to say whether he was in control of his actions that day or just completely insane. Along the way he may have made free choices that led him down the wrong path, but it seems to me no mentally stable person could walk into a room and just start killing strangers. The poor parenting is indisputable - but I don't think that means Nancy deserved to die any more than any of the other victims.

It's all just sad - so many lives cut short, so many parents who will have to live with their loss every day for the rest of their lives - for no good reason. (That's where the majority of my sympathy goes.) We Americans have a particular need for moral blame, often even placing the condemnation of "character flaw" on harmless natural differences that we are born with. That is a heavy burden to carry for those who are subject to such treatment. Instead of denying that anything other than guns and Adam and Nancy Lanza could have played a role, we all should make a renewed commitment to understanding people's natural differences and teaching our children to do the same.

So she got him access to guns Politicalboi Apr 2013 #1
I doubt he was coming home with bruises in FIRST GRADE, in any case alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #9
Go tell these parents you think elementary school bullying is a Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #16
Well, I'm not denying that bullying an assaults *happen* alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #18
So sad all around. I wish it were easier for people to get help, and to see the paths that are Brickbat Apr 2013 #2
Lots of us got bullied. Most of us learned to deal with it without shooting everyone in sight. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #3
Most of us don't have deveopmental difficulties, either. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #8
I had my own difficulties. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #11
Fucksake Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #40
How many times does this need to be said here?? AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #61
I was actually defending you! Fawke Em Apr 2013 #80
They seem to have built their conclusions around whatever they want to think Jamastiene Apr 2013 #82
+ 100 loyalsister Apr 2013 #87
I have Asberger's DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #31
That was my point. Thank you. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #81
I remember one girl in Jr High who was tormented AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #54
I can think of 20 first grade children who didn't bully him, just off the top of my head alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #4
I wish I could REC this post. zappaman Apr 2013 #21
Yep. Pale Blue Dot Apr 2013 #35
And a motive is emerging. Initech Apr 2013 #5
"bruises all over his body". Yeah, so they say. I think this is highly improbable. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #6
Me too alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #10
Thank you. When I saw I had a message I expected the usual-schools are to blame meme. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #12
If my child were being "assaulted" at school, the police... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #14
I don't remember bruises Sgent Apr 2013 #29
One-one relative has asserted this w/o any verification post the murder of 26 people. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #38
I don't think that accepting his being bullied is in any way justifying his later actions, LanternWaste Apr 2013 #77
Maybe he was just nuts. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #79
This is why just as much effort needs to go into anti-bullying programs as gun control usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #7
Something else would have set him off. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #62
A lot of adults, including some "progressives" (in other words, even a few DU members), . . . radicalliberal Sep 2013 #88
I don't doubt that he Jenoch Apr 2013 #13
That is a claim only made by right-wing tinfoil hat sites. Robb Apr 2013 #22
Aurora was Holmes and CO, nt WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #25
I'm no "right-wing Sandy Hook was a false flag" believer. Jenoch Apr 2013 #26
You are right; I stand corrected. Robb Apr 2013 #33
Robb is not the god of the gun control debate. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #50
So says you, supporter of all things guns. Hoyt Apr 2013 #58
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #65
Proud to have been excluded from your gun club. Hoyt Apr 2013 #66
It's always good to be proud of your accomplishemnts. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #67
Got your targets that resemble humans? Hoyt Apr 2013 #68
Shows where your mind is. I meant the driving range. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #69
He committed suicide and took revenge while doing it. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #15
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #17
Nah, won't alert it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Sep 2013 #89
For the record, alphafemale is on record as condoning bullying in mandatory P.E. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #90
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #91
You're welcome! radicalliberal Sep 2013 #92
My, I expected some denial but this is impressive. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #20
A mother who doesn't report or document bruises from school beatings? Robb Apr 2013 #23
Clutching at straws, trying to deflect blame from the villain of their own bloodline. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #24
It is why 100% of all guns/bullets in the hands of private citiizens need to be gone. graham4anything Apr 2013 #27
What plan do you have Jenoch Apr 2013 #30
Elect Hillary Clinton and change the US Supreme Court in the next 10 years graham4anything Apr 2013 #32
If Secretary Clinton were Jenoch Apr 2013 #47
Doubtful she would campaign on it AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #55
Of course i understand that. Jenoch Apr 2013 #57
Might as well start now, before gun nuts buy up another 100 million of the dang things Hoyt Apr 2013 #59
Thanks so much for your advocacy... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #34
Against what? A gun never saved anything, but bullets have killed millions. graham4anything Apr 2013 #36
On the contrary. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #37
A sign outside the home saying Gun inside does the same thing graham4anything Apr 2013 #39
All that would do is say, in effect, "burglarize my home when I'm away." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #41
Back in NYC in the late 70s graham4anything Apr 2013 #42
You get the burglar Jenoch Apr 2013 #48
As a 5'3" 110 lb woman who has never carried a gun... Jasana Apr 2013 #83
I say no - she doesn't need "her"* gun. "She"** needs to get into the civilized world and call apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #84
I honestly don't understand your post... Jasana Apr 2013 #86
"Bullets have killed billions?" TimberValley Apr 2013 #44
typo. Millions.Glad you caught it, spell check missed it. Will change it. Thanks buddy! graham4anything Apr 2013 #45
Was it a typo, Jenoch Apr 2013 #49
Millions or billions -- it's still way too friggin many. Gawd you gun guys crack me up. Hoyt Apr 2013 #64
Glad I could be of service. Jenoch Apr 2013 #78
i don't believe this, looks like they are trying to take blame away from him or bring JI7 Apr 2013 #28
To all those above who doubt Adam Lanza was bullied daveMN Apr 2013 #43
Agree RobinA Apr 2013 #46
The right wing argument DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #52
Not surprising. And easy access to guns is a problem when inner demons are Lex Apr 2013 #53
The only bottom line to ALL these shootings is easy access to guns. Period. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #56
Since when is stealing from a family member and shooting your mother "easy access"? 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #72
Most people that were bullied as children don't take revenge on children 20 years younger... Kalidurga Apr 2013 #60
Fact is Adam Lanza took a gun that should not, madokie Apr 2013 #63
No excuse. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #70
It was an elementary school, with children between 5 and 12 years old, the shooter was 20 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #71
No excuse for the mass murder. Plenty of people are bulllied and don't become mass murderers. raccoon Apr 2013 #73
IMO Mr Dixon Apr 2013 #74
I don't know. HappyMe Apr 2013 #75
So?! eissa Apr 2013 #76
I don't buy that at all. Apophis Apr 2013 #85
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