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hfojvt

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72. make a difference HOW?

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:39 PM

Apr 2013

That is the question. What was the difference she was planning to make as President, besides one of her apparently key goals of "keeping people who make over $110,000 from paying higher FICA taxes"

Now, post-election Obama is also all about that, but at least during the primary, he pretended to be something different, as that clip shows.

And one of the reasons I love that clip is because it sorta echoes my own journal posted about a week before that debate http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/65

It's nice that Bill has a hobby and hopefully he is doing some good, but he is also very, very rich, so I don't buy this "it is all about service for the Clintons". Their personal net worth says something different than ALL.

And I thought Clinton's service in his first two terms wasn't very good at all. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/71 http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2665533

Which is why I don't want any more Clinton Presidencies. I'd rather elect a Democrat than a DLCer. I know Clintons are DLC . I was hoping Obama was not.

Turns out I was wrong.

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In 2008 I supported John Edwards....And then Obama. ...What was I thinking? [View all] Armstead Apr 2013 OP

He made good speeches. jsr Apr 2013 #1

Maybe ProSense Apr 2013 #2

Believe it or not I try to Armstead Apr 2013 #4

Hey, ProSense Apr 2013 #21

You usually do think I'm absolutely wrong Armstead Apr 2013 #60

"focus on some of the positive" hfojvt Apr 2013 #17

Positive: ProSense Apr 2013 #20

"Ignore the smell of the decaying corpse in the middle of the room . . ." markpkessinger Apr 2013 #85

Enough of that ProSense. If he can't stand up for seniors on Social Security JDPriestly Apr 2013 #92

We can only hope for the best and keep voting and nudging all the time. olddots Apr 2013 #3

I don't advocate giving up Armstead Apr 2013 #5

+1 Phlem Apr 2013 #80

R from me xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #6

I was one of the lemmings in that one I guess Armstead Apr 2013 #7

I still don't regret supporting Edwards hfojvt Apr 2013 #18

I'd still vote for John Edwards. tblue Apr 2013 #57

Guess what. You'll Never Have to Vote for Obama nor Edwards for President Ever Again Yavin4 Apr 2013 #8

Probably have to convince myself yet again that the next Corporate Dem.... Armstead Apr 2013 #13

Sometimes I think it is good to reflect on our political journeys Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #15

I guess that Hillary is a fighter hfojvt Apr 2013 #23

We are talking shades of corporate here, obviously Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #27

Oh yeah, I guess Hillary was too ambitious. Beacool Apr 2013 #49

it's not about being ambitious hfojvt Apr 2013 #55

"Hillary's only principles, only purpose seemed to be - elect Hillary". Beacool Apr 2013 #58

"Change the name to Obama and I would agree." Number23 Apr 2013 #66

No more boring and irrelevant as that of the Obama perpetual apologists. Beacool Apr 2013 #67

Yeah, being the PERPETUAL Hillary apologist is so much more worthy of your time Number23 Apr 2013 #68

You are either being funny or disingenuous. Beacool Apr 2013 #69

LOL Love your desperate attempts to change the subject Number23 Apr 2013 #70

Everyone? Beacool Apr 2013 #73

Yes, dear. EVERYONE. Number23 Apr 2013 #74

Whatever............. Beacool Apr 2013 #79

You're right. That is certainly not something you'll ever have to worry about. Number23 Apr 2013 #87

Are we in high school? Beacool Apr 2013 #90

What happened to your clever "whatever" and "bye" from like, 5 posts ago? Number23 Apr 2013 #91

Sweetie, you got issues. Beacool Apr 2013 #96

If you mean "I hate haters," then yes, you are right Number23 Apr 2013 #100

make a difference HOW? hfojvt Apr 2013 #72

Can't agree with your last point. tblue Apr 2013 #59

If that isn't a given with you, Zoeisright Apr 2013 #43

I didn't say I'd ever support a Repuglican Armstead Apr 2013 #61

Focus on Congress, cast a symbolic vote for president. If we have a strong, progressive Dem sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #89

This reflects my experiences exactly, AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #9

Yeah that would be me as well PDittie Apr 2013 #11

I had qualms about Obama almost from the start hfojvt Apr 2013 #25

Oh please Larrylarry Apr 2013 #10

I'm very aware of Congress....Pissed at them too. But still.... Armstead Apr 2013 #12

+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Apr 2013 #35

Oh please ljm2002 Apr 2013 #36

Obama's failures kaiserhog Apr 2013 #14

The FIRST thing Obama DID do was the stimulus - and it was as big as could pass Congress karynnj Apr 2013 #29

re: Deepwater Horizon... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #37

The first thing was coincidence and had nothing to do with the problem karynnj Apr 2013 #39

Well of course the timing was coincidence... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #41

dazzled by star quality and "electability" memes in my case carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #16

It is true that Dean is far far more real than Edwards, but so was John Kerry karynnj Apr 2013 #32

no argument on any of your points, but by the VA primary Kerry looked like a done deal carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #42

+1 That "electability" crap. Don't get me started. woo me with science Apr 2013 #33

In 2008 I voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.. ananda Apr 2013 #19

In 2008 I went for Kuch and Edwards... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #22

That was my trajectory as well... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #40

On positions, Kuch was the one I more closely identified with Armstead Apr 2013 #62

Obama said in 2008 that he was no liberal ozone_man Apr 2013 #24

Could it be that had Dean won the nomination and Presidency, you would have been dissapointed karynnj Apr 2013 #38

My take, as a Hardcore Deaniac... TDale313 Apr 2013 #54

I have also said that Dean was right - especially on the 50 state strategy karynnj Apr 2013 #71

I was concerned about a Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton-Clinton lock on the presidency AndyA Apr 2013 #26

I supported Obama - but it was because I could not overlook the obvious phoniness of Edwards karynnj Apr 2013 #28

I also supported John Edwards in 2008 for the same reasons you did. forestpath Apr 2013 #30

I didn't even vote in the primary, because it seemed pointless, a choice between Zorra Apr 2013 #31

I too though Obama would be more liberal than Hillary gvstn Apr 2013 #34

Give the same amount of trust and skepticism to "our" folks as "the opposition" to start TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #44

Alasd the environment seem set in stone...So my own hope has been that... Armstead Apr 2013 #63

I think that path has been closed off, lots of fail safes and bureaucratic entropy since FDR TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #102

This is exactly what happened with me. Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #45

You do realize that Obama couldn't actually do much in his first term, right? AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #46

The obstructionm will be there regardless of what Obama did (does) Armstead Apr 2013 #64

I think the bigger problem is the poor choices we have to begin with usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #47

Bingo! And welcome to DU! immoderate Apr 2013 #53

Thank you immoderate, good to be here with so many kindred spirits! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #56

So, knowing what you know now what would you have done in 2008? DCBob Apr 2013 #48

With wisdom of hindsight I would porobably have rolled the dice on Hillary Armstead Apr 2013 #65

Well, that's what happens when you vote for someone who has a short record. Beacool Apr 2013 #50

Me too. However, I was excited by John Edwards because I liked his message Cleita Apr 2013 #51

Wow, I didn't realize all the people here were for Edwards.The $400 haircut man. graham4anything Apr 2013 #52

Same thing many of us were thinking Carolina Apr 2013 #75

Who are you going to vote for if she is our nominee? Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #76

No one Carolina Apr 2013 #93

We're already on the slow road now...I can't live with that...although I'm not very pleased. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #95

Sadly, Auntie Bush Carolina Apr 2013 #97

Me too. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #98

I have one grown son Carolina Apr 2013 #99

This place is going to be a nightmare for 3 1/2 years until we all get back to.... Walk away Apr 2013 #77

No different than its been for the last 12 years Armstead Apr 2013 #84

You were thinking, "Is this really the best we can do?" BlueStreak Apr 2013 #78

What happened at 1 AM yesterday that got you all excited? eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #81

Came home after a long day and night of helping girlfriend move.. Armstead Apr 2013 #83

Same thing I was, that his mixed health care plan had a chance Warpy Apr 2013 #82

Brutal honesty is rarely appreciated at the time. But, thank you, anyway. leveymg Apr 2013 #86

I'm thinking that the XXII amendment was a bad idea. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #88

There is nothing wrong with being blind madokie Apr 2013 #94

He is as he presented himself to be: a moderate Democrat. If you saw something else, Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #101