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hfojvt

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18. I hate it when people talk stupid

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:57 PM

Apr 2013

"I may have to shoot myself in the foot"
"I may have to slam my hand in a car door"
"I may have to become an independent"

Three really dumb statements.

Granted, as the other Dean said, the Democratic Party is controlled by "Rubin and his allies" http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022085948

but if you cannot defeat them WITHIN the Democratic Party, then you are not going to defeat them as an inDUHpendent.

Unless independents run in one of the many, many state legislative races that only have one party on the ticket (or heck, even the US Senate (WTF??) in South Dakota in 2010 only had one candidate. Unless they do that, the only thing they accomplish is - they help the Republicans win.

Thus, about as useful a move as slamming your hand in a car door.

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Howard Dean (Tweet): I May Have to Become an Independent [View all] ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 OP

Seriously?? wow, if this isn't a joke tweet then quinnox Apr 2013 #1

No Joke ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #2

Dean supports the sequestration. ProSense Apr 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #7

and under Obama we get the domestic spending sequester dsc Apr 2013 #12

The sequestration ProSense Apr 2013 #14

yeah and Obama isn't going to restore that dsc Apr 2013 #16

oh come on you know obama stood his ground and vetoed the sequester lololol nt msongs Apr 2013 #29

Here: ProSense Apr 2013 #41

Just give up already. cui bono Apr 2013 #122

My understanding was that Dean only supported the sequestration, Volaris Apr 2013 #37

Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #39

That is HARDLY a defense of the sequestration. cui bono Apr 2013 #123

I pretty sure Dr Dean doesn't ... 99Forever Apr 2013 #71

Thats ,too funny. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #72

Deceitful. Marr Apr 2013 #90

Here ProSense Apr 2013 #91

I don't think you know what "red herring" means. Marr Apr 2013 #94

You mean ProSense Apr 2013 #95

No, that would just be a description. Marr Apr 2013 #97

No, ProSense Apr 2013 #100

That doesn't mean he wants sequestration, for god's sake. Marr Apr 2013 #101

"It means that, of the apparent options on the table, sequestration isn't so very bad." ProSense Apr 2013 #103

You're not making any points that you think you are. cui bono Apr 2013 #128

Again, that is NOT saying he supports it. cui bono Apr 2013 #127

+1,000,000,000 cui bono Apr 2013 #126

+1,000,000,000 cui bono Apr 2013 #124

If he does, he ProSense Apr 2013 #3

Last I checked, Howard was good at spelling Capn Sunshine Apr 2013 #10

Not a Fake Account ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #13

I would love to see that... whathehell Apr 2013 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #5

It's a bad investment to continue a largely unnecessary industry. Gore1FL Apr 2013 #35

"the new budget eliminates nearly all of the cuts that sequestration imposes on the Pentagon" bunnies Apr 2013 #6

You posted first. I'm removing mine. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #8

Here's the sickening part - AT THE EXPENSE OF SENIORS!!!!!!!!!! Glitterati Apr 2013 #11

This is nothing short of infuriating. RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #125

Sickening. Military welfare saved while robbing SS retirees LittleBlue Apr 2013 #9

I think Dr. Dean made a step in the right direction. dotymed Apr 2013 #56

Dr. Dean never bluffs. We should zeeland Apr 2013 #118

The BusinessWeek piece is a must read jsr Apr 2013 #15

The MIC's Appetite is Insatiable, and their Budget is Sacrosanct, Apparently usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #17

I hate it when people talk stupid hfojvt Apr 2013 #18

. ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #19

Dean should have been in Obamas's first cabinet without a doubt! Dean's 50 state strategy is why robinlynne Apr 2013 #85

^^^^^^truth Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #117

IMO, your "reasoning" dotymed Apr 2013 #59

okay then explain your own "reasoning" hfojvt Apr 2013 #87

not within the party RILib Apr 2013 #98

and go outside the party hfojvt Apr 2013 #104

The lesser or two evils policy has RILib Apr 2013 #106

and the greater of two evils policy hfojvt Apr 2013 #108

No one has a greater of two evils policy. merrily Apr 2013 #109

sure they do hfojvt Apr 2013 #113

I know why you called it a greater of two evils policy. merrily Apr 2013 #114

Will this finally wake people up to the sell out of our party wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #20

Obama may save him the trouble Doctor_J Apr 2013 #21

sounds great, but merrily Apr 2013 #115

A -$900 million dollar difference between FY 2013 and FY 2014 budgets. neverforget Apr 2013 #22

Good he can join Bernie Sanders. If enough lefties do that Cleita Apr 2013 #23

We cant give up the Democratic Party. We must take it back from the Conservatives. It's our party. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #24

I've only been donating to the candidates for the last three elections. Cleita Apr 2013 #28

I have been doing the same. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #30

Why can't we give it up? Volaris Apr 2013 #40

Our Democratic Party has a huge infrasturcture that belongs to us. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #45

The deck is stacked before the primaries start. merrily Apr 2013 #111

The Democratic Party owns millions of dollars of resources that would be relinquished by abandoning rhett o rick Apr 2013 #112

ding ding ding we have a winner !!!! nt littlewolf Apr 2013 #60

He's just following the script Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #25

Just how long is he going to "draw the Republican's in for the slaughter."????????? He has been rhett o rick Apr 2013 #31

Some need to do more passing... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #33

FSM, it's cetainly not cool Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #36

No, it's me. I am sarcasm blocked. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #58

If you think that's taking a long time... JHB Apr 2013 #55

If true I seriously don't blame him +++++ n/t humbled_opinion Apr 2013 #26

Obama's Gifts To Republicans Keep Piling Up cantbeserious Apr 2013 #27

We are beyond the idea of a new deal now, Newest Reality Apr 2013 #32

I'm so mad at Obama over this... zentrum Apr 2013 #34

Whoa! libodem Apr 2013 #38

If he sticks with America I stick with him. Fearless Apr 2013 #42

Not much left of the DEM Party, after WJC & BHO. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #43

I became an independent during the Clinton/DLC/centrist/triangulation crap. progressoid Apr 2013 #44

me after the health care reform fiasco. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #49

"Reign of Errors".... Love It! KoKo Apr 2013 #69

I became an independent Demobrat Apr 2013 #119

You know it's bad out there when Dean says something like that Oilwellian Apr 2013 #46

WT everlovin F Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #47

Welcome to the real Democrats, Howard. Deep13 Apr 2013 #48

Fuck the empire Taverner Apr 2013 #50

Chill out guys. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #51

Lol, you got that chess game down. My head gets dizzy from the constantly changing sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52

"When someone actually has core principles, there is no doubt what they are, period." BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #53

I believe in His plan. Marr Apr 2013 #89

Howard Dean is obviously durablend Apr 2013 #110

Another Dean tweet octoberlib Apr 2013 #54

Howard Dean was behind the 50 State strategy that helped Dems win Congress... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #62

A Bernie Sanders Independent (Socialist) .. ananda Apr 2013 #57

I am actually giddy with the possibilities that could open up dotymed Apr 2013 #61

Ridiculous. Congress and the President don't determine what a Democrat is. Bucky Apr 2013 #63

Excellent point, and btw... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #65

Can you list the great gradual changes you have in mind as examples? Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #66

Women's suffrage, women's rights, various civil rights movements, labor empowerment Bucky Apr 2013 #88

Lead on, Dr. Dean.... stlsaxman Apr 2013 #64

As much as I am tempted to do the same, Myrina Apr 2013 #67

Join the club. Been there for two+ years. n/t Dawgs Apr 2013 #68

If Obama keeps this up he is going to be the most isolated man in DC n2doc Apr 2013 #70

Well, ProSense Apr 2013 #73

We get it...you've made your position clear. Chan790 Apr 2013 #121

K&R woo me with science Apr 2013 #74

I already am. Beacool Apr 2013 #75

I guess he doesn't understand chess DrDan Apr 2013 #76

I Just Called DFA fredamae Apr 2013 #77

So ProSense Apr 2013 #79

No- No One has suggested fredamae Apr 2013 #80

Howard Dean is not going to become an Independent. ProSense Apr 2013 #81

I have no "Chrystal Ball" fredamae Apr 2013 #83

No, ProSense Apr 2013 #84

I admit it crossed my fredamae Apr 2013 #86

That Was Before Obama's Budget ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #82

If you lead, more will follow. Autumn Apr 2013 #92

Real? gussmith Apr 2013 #93

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #99

I would follow Howard Dean into a new "Independent Democratic Party" in a nanosecond. Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #96

I just talked to Howard about this half an hour ago. DFW Apr 2013 #102

Howard Dean never really loved him!!! QC Apr 2013 #105

Howard just defeated Independents, we should be celebrating! IDemo Apr 2013 #107

Uh-oh, Spandan/Deaniac83 is in a tizzy. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #116

Hyperbole michigandem58 Apr 2013 #120