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TekGryphon

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3. America still hasn't figured out the utter idiocy of supply-side economics...

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:38 AM

Apr 2013

... many moderates would actually support tax cuts for the wealthy even after 30 years of utter failure.

Raising the retirement age still needs better messaging to fight. We've almost won it, thanks to systemic unemployment issues that raising the retirement age would exacerbate, but we're still not quite there. Almost, though. If he has the balls to try this trick again, I wouldn't mind seeing him destroy this issue the same way in 2015.

Chained CPI, a direct cut to the benefits that seniors have worked their life for, is something that neither Democrats, Independents, or moderate Republicans want. It's an idea that ONLY resonates in the minds of the aristocrats.

It was the perfect Republican idea to trot out as a compromise and let the US take a good long look at.

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Obama destroyed Chained CPI and I don't understand why we're not celebrating [View all] TekGryphon Apr 2013 OP

If that's the case, why not put tax cuts for the wealthy, raise the retirement age to 70 neverforget Apr 2013 #1

America still hasn't figured out the utter idiocy of supply-side economics... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #3

Thanks for the OP, I felt it was like the Sequester. They wanted him to keep taxes down. freshwest Apr 2013 #5

He got a lot more out of the sequester than... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #7

Agree with you 100%, just didn't have time to go into details. Welcome to DU! freshwest Apr 2013 #11

He also got a massive cut in defence spending bhikkhu Apr 2013 #22

I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about it... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #37

Here's one link: bhikkhu Apr 2013 #93

His budget for FY 2014 is $900 million less than this year. It also replaces all of the neverforget Apr 2013 #94

Did it in an election season, no less. sofa king Apr 2013 #100

Welcome to DU, TekGryphon! calimary Apr 2013 #60

You might mean "some" Americans, as I'd guess all or most on this and other progressive boards have. whathehell Apr 2013 #102

You're right! This will work as well as offering RomneyCare to Republicans! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #2

Health Care reform was massive and 90% of Americans... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #4

health care actually helped Obama with the non partisan types in 2012 JI7 Apr 2013 #10

True, but we're talking about the negotiations TekGryphon Apr 2013 #12

Thank you and welcome to DU madokie Apr 2013 #61

We will see. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #6

The polls are already in: TekGryphon Apr 2013 #9

There's no surprise in that poll; no defense in it magellan Apr 2013 #14

Remember, this wasn't a bluff on Obama's part. He WANTED it. duffyduff Apr 2013 #16

what bollocks. n/t Whisp Apr 2013 #18

Yes, that certainly fits all his other accomplishments... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #21

Actually in 2008 Obama vowed no COLA adjustments: magellan Apr 2013 #31

bullshit Champion Jack Apr 2013 #109

You are right. I think that Obama has not yet given up on chained CPI. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #17

Show me ONE budget negotiation in the last 5 years... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #25

Not a budget negotiation, but how about an Aug 2011 town hall meeting? magellan Apr 2013 #36

Which is why his budget increases SS payments to lower class Seniors TekGryphon Apr 2013 #42

No, it doesn't protect them magellan Apr 2013 #48

Like it or not... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #51

"Obama changed that and put it on center stage" magellan Apr 2013 #57

So you were shown he's been in favour of it for at least 2 years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #74

Watch the video posted on DU of Democracy Now on Pete Peterson. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #63

Read this article. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #66

How about this from 2011? bvar22 Apr 2013 #111

What would Obama put on the table that would in effect have Reps backing off? Sheepshank Apr 2013 #88

THIS. A lot of how this will play out is still up in the air, I think. Volaris Apr 2013 #24

Yes. Thanks. elleng Apr 2013 #8

This won't be a popular OP with many. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #13

His/her facts don't fit reality either. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #114

This is a preposterous theory, and even the supporting facts are wrong cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #15

Allow me to interject a little reality into your revisionism: TekGryphon Apr 2013 #19

Seriously? You want to go with that? Rex Apr 2013 #23

That's the origin of the Individual Mandate. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #26

Give you a break? Rex Apr 2013 #28

The Heritage Foundation? Oilwellian Apr 2013 #105

Yes, when the Republicans slipped the individual mandate into Obama care in 1989. cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #38

I'm not following, sorry. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #53

Well you know how informative the Heritage Foundation is! Rex Apr 2013 #29

Are you illiterate? Or just trolling? TekGryphon Apr 2013 #35

I was going to ask you the same thing. Rex Apr 2013 #41

Can you actually say anything? TekGryphon Apr 2013 #44

No I don't think that is it at all, but thanks anyway. Rex Apr 2013 #45

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #47

Of course. Rex Apr 2013 #50

"Projection Theater." Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #69

It's really a shame you had that post hidden and can no longer post in this thread Number23 Apr 2013 #62

+1. nt MADem Apr 2013 #89

Are you aware that Romney is a Republican? GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #75

So we got health care that Doctor_J Apr 2013 #95

NOT to mention... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #106

"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone n/t DeSwiss Apr 2013 #20

That's the mantra of libertarians. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #27

He didn't. We did. Warpy Apr 2013 #30

Half right, half wrong. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #33

Holding Obama's feet to the fire is exactly what everyone was supposed to do. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #90

I am just not sure what Obama is up to - too soon to tell mettamega Apr 2013 #32

He has a long history and record... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #34

Hear! Hear! solara Apr 2013 #40

You haven't seen very many horror movies, have you? MNBrewer Apr 2013 #80

Sorry, frequently things are exactly what they appear to be. caseymoz Apr 2013 #39

If that's the case, then publicizing the case against chained CPI *helps,* not hurts, his plan. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #43

Of course. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #46

so what? if you're correct, small potatoes in light of the greater service & it will all come out HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

The whole thing also advertised his jobs and universal daycare. nt patrice Apr 2013 #49

I'm inclined to want to go along with your argument, but ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #52

From the White House (a good read, but focus on the first paragraph) TekGryphon Apr 2013 #56

We should propose an abortion ban LittleBlue Apr 2013 #54

If social reforms were legislated the way budgets are... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #58

Thats what I've been trying to say too madokie Apr 2013 #59

Resorting to the ACA to defend Obama's games is another fail magellan Apr 2013 #64

You seem to be arguing that Republicans are going to be consistent Fumesucker Apr 2013 #67

You obviously missed the point magellan Apr 2013 #68

No, I read your OP. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #70

No, sorry, you're still way off track magellan Apr 2013 #71

Chained CPI will never be madokie Apr 2013 #72

Welcome to DU, TekGryphon Hekate Apr 2013 #65

Another post that assumes the audience here are idiots. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #73

This is a foolish argument to make.... dtom67 Apr 2013 #76

Maybe the worst post on this topic ever! LOL, unbelievable! Logical Apr 2013 #77

Whether this was "clever", remains to be seen OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #78

Oh brother. vi5 Apr 2013 #79

Now hang with me on this BlueStreak Apr 2013 #84

Until the election vi5 Apr 2013 #86

They won't wait fo rthe election BlueStreak Apr 2013 #87

No, *WE* are destroying Chained CPI. Obama just looks like a dumbass on this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #81

He didn't destroy the argument for it, he advanced it instead Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #82

We keep ignoring that Serious People want and expect the Chained CPI Babel_17 Apr 2013 #107

The only thing Obama destroyed is our chance to win back the house in 2014 bowens43 Apr 2013 #83

Nonsense! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #85

Going by this "rationale," Obama didn't want the ACA either. forestpath Apr 2013 #91

That's the most irrational excuse for Obama's blunder... 99Forever Apr 2013 #92

It was a pathetic attempt to help prop up the 3 people that Rex Apr 2013 #96

+1 nt HomeboyHombre Apr 2013 #98

Ah, the 11 levels of chess excuse HomeboyHombre Apr 2013 #97

... as telegraphed by the President himself: sofa king Apr 2013 #104

Wow, great plan: HomeboyHombre Apr 2013 #117

reminds me of the Pee Wee Herman bike fall..."I meant to do that!" Safetykitten Apr 2013 #99

Making cuts to Social Security the national Democratic Party agenda is something to celebrate? Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #101

OFFS. progressoid Apr 2013 #103

"WE won the argument, but Obama was the one who let us have that argument." Skittles Apr 2013 #113

The Republicans are going to hold the debt ceiling hostage Babel_17 Apr 2013 #108

LOL Skittles Apr 2013 #110

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014454861 GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #112

This is how you destroy chained CPI Mnpaul Apr 2013 #115

. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #116