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magellan

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15. That's what the apologists miss

Reply to unrepentant progress (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:22 AM

Apr 2013

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Support for SS and opposition to CCPI was strong *before* Obama tried giving it away the first time. If the intent was truly to destroy the Repubs on this issue, it would have been as easy as getting in front of a camera and reading their budget proposal to Americans, emphasizing that Boehner himself was demanding CCPI. The Dems were MIA on this - oh, apart from Pelosi saying CCPI "strengthens" SS.

That's how you paint the Repubs into a corner. Not by offering a prized possession in closed door meetings and adding "protections" to make it more palatable to the public (edit). You don't destroy the other guy by making Americans breathe down your neck, but by using the goddamn media in every form and at every possible opportunity to get Americans breathing down the other guy's neck.

Recorded phone calls. Tv spots. Mailers. "Tell the GOP what you think of their plan to hurt our seniors with CCPI!"

They didn't do this, and you have to wonder why.

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So now the talking point is that Obama destroyed chained CPI with his masterful brinksmanship. [View all] unrepentant progress Apr 2013 OP

Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #1

... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #3

As Robert Reich said unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #4

That's what the apologists miss magellan Apr 2013 #15

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

Good post. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #116

It's the other way around. 80% of the REAL PEOPLE have 100s of other more important issues graham4anything Apr 2013 #74

Obama is a lot smarter than the aggregate of the republicon party madokie Apr 2013 #69

spoken like a true believer. Very sad..... bowens43 Apr 2013 #77

You aren't smart enough to understand Obama's brilliance. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #2

+1 unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #6

Wait. Two separate issues there. Recursion Apr 2013 #5

What distinction? He said at the G20 meeting a few years ago that he intended to mess with the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #9

ACA is messing with the social programs. Recursion Apr 2013 #10

I thought I was supposed to wake you up when he PUT IT IN the budget? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #17

You may be confusing me with somebody else Recursion Apr 2013 #20

This from the guy that thinks the SS trust fund is a fiction Dragonfli Apr 2013 #37

It was Bill Clinton who called it a surplus back in 99 Recursion Apr 2013 #38

It was a surplus OF THE SS TRUST FUND Dragonfli Apr 2013 #40

Here's Clinton's SOTU from 1999 Recursion Apr 2013 #44

"That surplus was entirely because of FICA levies" - No it was not. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2013 #48

Yes, it was. The government would have been in deficit that year without FICA Recursion Apr 2013 #53

You are claiming Clinton lied about a surplus Dragonfli Apr 2013 #61

No, I'm saying it's one way or the other Recursion Apr 2013 #63

there you go again "FICA levies contributed to the past surplus" no, it Dragonfli Apr 2013 #67

Look, we both agree SS is flush right now (I think?) Recursion Apr 2013 #72

what she's saying is that without the money borrowed from the SS surplus the general budget HiPointDem Apr 2013 #102

a special picture for you green for victory Apr 2013 #70

Thick as thieves. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #119

He was but we weren't, and I think that surprised him. Warpy Apr 2013 #12

I should hope so unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #113

Thank you. That distinction is important. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #26

They will keep trying talking points woo me with science Apr 2013 #7

Does this stop the "sequester" which IS stealing food from the old and poor? n/t Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #13

No. woo me with science Apr 2013 #16

I honestly didn't know. But most obviously, there are shell games, smoke and mirrors going on Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #18

I wonder who thinks this ridiculous stuff up and thinks we democrats are as stupid as Bush supporter sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #8

+1! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #11

I am still not at all understanding how cutting SS will help the deficit. Rex Apr 2013 #24

It won't. When they make this claim they are unwittingly admitting that the goal is to rob the SS sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #31

You really don't understand how decreasing outlays, even notionally self-funded outlays, decreases Recursion Apr 2013 #34

Neither. Rex Apr 2013 #35

So, how it decreases the deficit is pretty simple Recursion Apr 2013 #36

That is strange. Rex Apr 2013 #39

Of course it's strange. Wanting to reduce the deficit during a recession is strange Recursion Apr 2013 #42

Well it is strange considering so many polls show taxpayers Rex Apr 2013 #46

Most Americans think "tax", "deficit", and "debt" all mean the same thing. Recursion Apr 2013 #51

a more significant percentage of the american public thinks jobs are the most important issue. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #57

Oddly enough, tptb only beat that drum when Democrats are in office. Laelth Apr 2013 #91

true. i imagine the reason is that it's easier for democrats to impose austerity/cut social benefits HiPointDem Apr 2013 #97

Quite. Laelth Apr 2013 #112

"and so has to borrow less for the rest of what it spends" still at it? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #59

Accounting is not moralistic Recursion Apr 2013 #60

It has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with pretending Dragonfli Apr 2013 #64

Congress gets to decide when SSA can redeem the bonds Recursion Apr 2013 #65

All that proves is congress can renege on SS debts when convenient, not that reassuring to me. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #68

Congress gets to tell SSA when to redeem the bonds or not Recursion Apr 2013 #71

Welshing is generally considered immoral. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #100

Yes. It also decreases your annual deficit Recursion Apr 2013 #115

Please use a term or phrase other than "Welshing." AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #125

It's so delusional I'm not even entirely comfortable making fun of it. cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #14

It's disturbing as hell. woo me with science Apr 2013 #23

I think you need a new hobby. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2013 #19

The goal post will always be moved. Rex Apr 2013 #21

Why include "protections" if it wasn't a sincere offer? magellan Apr 2013 #22

Because the fact that it needed protections.. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #28

Right over your head. magellan Apr 2013 #43

I don't think you read what I wrote, but carry on. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #47

Oh, I read you loud and clear, friend magellan Apr 2013 #56

So, did you sign up to cast insults? myrna minx Apr 2013 #120

Blah de blah blah. cliffordu Apr 2013 #25

Okay dude, here's the horrible truth: napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #27

Fact is, Obama did more damage to Chained CPI in 48 hours... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #29

Fact is Obama did more damage to the Democratic party then Carl Rove could have done in 50 years bowens43 Apr 2013 #79

That says more about the Democratic Party than it does Obama... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #83

Bunk magellan Apr 2013 #86

Young voters didn't turn out because they suffered from false equivalency... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #88

Have it your way magellan Apr 2013 #92

"Ignore the ridiculously obvious" TekGryphon Apr 2013 #98

First of all, I'm a woman magellan Apr 2013 #99

I think Obama only hurt himself - Dems seem pretty united against this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #94

There's two parts to the opposition. People who oppose Chained CPI and people who oppose Obama... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #104

True. So the question people are really debating is whether this was Obama's intention all along. reformist2 Apr 2013 #108

It's faux outrage for one very simple reason: TekGryphon Apr 2013 #109

I notice that I seem to be celebrating Obama's failures Cronus Protagonist Apr 2013 #30

it's not geometric, it's transdimentional! NuttyFluffers Apr 2013 #32

The one point that the outraged conveniently overlook... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #33

There is something I don't understand... Whisp Apr 2013 #41

Yep, and you'd think his legacy would be opposite what it really is... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #45

and don't forget how he 'cut medicare'... Whisp Apr 2013 #49

Haven't seen that one yet, but it seems like it'd be par for the course for some. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #50

What were some of your previous DU names? cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #52

I've been a lurker for years and years... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2013 #118

Heh heh heh. progressoid Apr 2013 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #73

Thanks for the graph! Quantess Apr 2013 #84

Thank you for the spot-on satire, Prose. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #89

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #58

He's like the other Presidents from Illinois bucolic_frolic Apr 2013 #62

As I said before, the term "Chained CPI" is the product of a focus group. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #66

BTW- I bet 80% of the public has no idea if you asked them, what is CPI graham4anything Apr 2013 #75

You can bet they'll know in 2014 when our party is beat to death it..24 7 bowens43 Apr 2013 #80

Will you be happy if that occurs?as FDR said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". graham4anything Apr 2013 #81

What a shameful, insulting question magellan Apr 2013 #90

It's asking an honest question. graham4anything Apr 2013 #93

No, it's asking an intentionally divisive question magellan Apr 2013 #103

That is the angle you are playing. I have my own. We all do. graham4anything Apr 2013 #105

2nd answer- it takes a village is actually a true statement. graham4anything Apr 2013 #107

x2. Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #126

yes, and that is just stupidity. What Obama did was destroy pour chances in 2014. Hr has always want bowens43 Apr 2013 #76

Don't worry. Obama and Pete Peterson are a duo. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #78

That he did madokie Apr 2013 #82

Govern like the right.. sendero Apr 2013 #85

The apologist will Carolina Apr 2013 #87

Takes very little apologising to celebrate the fact that... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #95

eat your ovaltine Locrian Apr 2013 #96

Read this and tell me which one of these sounds more convuluted: TekGryphon Apr 2013 #101

But watching them twist their brains day in and day out to come up with this shit Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #117

I recall wondering if this wasn't the end game when it was announced more than a week ago liberal N proud Apr 2013 #106

+100000000000 alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #110

Ha ha. leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #111

If flows from the same logic that caused Kerry to intentionally lose the 2004 election Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #114

Hell, you'd think the Republicans... unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #121

Propaganda is the preferred mode of communication among the corrupt just1voice Apr 2013 #123

that's one of the things that is so terribly sad about politics. the anti-democratic aspect of it HiPointDem Apr 2013 #124