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58. If people are willing to change their principles when one of their 'team' does something they would

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:57 AM

Apr 2013

have been outraged over had the leader of the other team done it, then yes.

I was outraged when Bush tried to meddle with SS and I can't remember a single a Democrat who wasn't. I didn't see anyone making any excuses, trying to explain his pov, it was just plain outrage, and absolutely justifiable.

Now have yet another president attempting to meddle with SS and once again, I am outraged. This time there have been excuses, dozens of them, and I've read them all and I'm still outraged. Handing the Republicans something THEY asked for according to Carney then they refuse it, as if that wasn't a predictable outcome.

I haven't changed, but I see people who apparently will go along with cuts to SS IF it is their team suggesting it.

Sorry, my principles are not for sale or driven by political parties.

But yes, I do believe that if this was Bush the outrage would be unified. Since it's our team now, some are showing what the word hypocrisy means. The PTBs know this will happen, they study human nature. So now we have a divided party. Way to go Obama.

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I am no longer a Democrat. [View all] Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 OP

. Iggo Apr 2013 #1

Only Thought liberalmike27 Apr 2013 #150

^ That.... Plus I can strongly disagree with someone on one topic and still support them on others groundloop Apr 2013 #157

Got to say I am sick up and fed with these posts claiming he 'did' marriage equality Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #196

"Obama with 60 plus Senators, and take the House" FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #180

No. Obama had 60 senators for 4 months only. Zen Democrat Apr 2013 #188

It took a while for the recount to place Al Franken in the Sentate FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #207

Ted Kennedy died August 25, 2009. Laelth Apr 2013 #221

Okay, but it seems to me that Bush got more of what he wanted in '07-'08 FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #226

Oh, no doubt. Laelth Apr 2013 #230

Not to sound like Clinton, but it all depends upon how you define "liberal." merrily Apr 2013 #273

No, Kennedy was replaced by the man Kennedy designated before he died. merrily Apr 2013 #271

I'm going to keep posting this until it sinks in! Feel free to pass it along. Ineeda Apr 2013 #294

What you say would matter only if, for example, Kennedy's vote would have made a difference merrily Apr 2013 #314

They had a lot more than Bush had during the last two years he was in office FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #325

Here is what happens IF you try to give the White House... bvar22 Apr 2013 #258

It's not hard to judge Obama at all when you look at how he "negotiates" cui bono Apr 2013 #269

obama appointed libs to supreme court Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #2

"the best we got" - that is the problem Skittles Apr 2013 #4

+ infinity. Apophis Apr 2013 #10

INDEED. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #11

There is always ProSense Apr 2013 #16

Take a look at what the corporate Dems are doing to our party - or was that their plan all along? grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #57

my prediction:: reply with 17 links Skittles Apr 2013 #72

Naw.. sendero Apr 2013 #78

So there is now something wrong with supporting what one is saying? nt treestar Apr 2013 #141

... Skittles Apr 2013 #250

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He got BL Plucketeer Apr 2013 #165

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That's exactly how we got slammed in 2010 and why we are in this position now. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #147

there is no convincing them treestar Apr 2013 #151

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Whoomp there it IS! Bake Apr 2013 #183

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NO PROOF that Sotomayor and Kagan are liberals. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #13

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You're correct dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #328

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. Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #201

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Both Kagen and Sotomayor were picked in part because they truedelphi Apr 2013 #346

He's NOT the best we got. cbrer Apr 2013 #206

Liberals? Are you sure? Or were they merely Democrats? cui bono Apr 2013 #270

Not even a Democrat dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #331

K. Thx. Buh-bye................ TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #3

you're leaving??!! Skittles Apr 2013 #5

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I am with you 100% Squirrel..so are millions. dotymed Apr 2013 #119

So, you want a worse shellacking than in 2010? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #148

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dino xtraxritical Apr 2013 #354

Maybe your conscience is clear but my female rights will be down the sewer. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #124

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Will your conscience be clear when a Rethug wins the presidency as a result of ... Martin Eden Apr 2013 #174

So then how do you stop the Dems from going even farther to the right? cui bono Apr 2013 #279

Primaries Martin Eden Apr 2013 #315

Agree! busterbrown Apr 2013 #59

About that primary thing. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #80

I've seen this too. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #113

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #193

Obama was picked from the start. Those who said Hillary was inevitable were media. merrily Apr 2013 #210

Liberals are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party. Laelth Apr 2013 #235

Your elected officials are liberals? merrily Apr 2013 #238

Yes, in fact. Laelth Apr 2013 #357

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This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Apr 2013 #8

This party needs desperately to do better. woo me with science Apr 2013 #12

That is so true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #118

"isn't a market for"? woo me with science Apr 2013 #129

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #134

If that is the lesson you are getting out of all of this, woo me with science Apr 2013 #135

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #136

That poster is speaking accurate truth Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #200

^ ut oh Apr 2013 #209

Okay ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #229

He also said he was against free trade. n/t cui bono Apr 2013 #282

yet they sidestep the original question...why post on DU if they don't identify as Dem? Sheepshank Apr 2013 #213

Because DU is (and has been for some time) ... Laelth Apr 2013 #236

+1,000,000,000 cui bono Apr 2013 #281

"the majority of the American electorate is no where near as progressive as we would have them" AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #162

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #185

Can't say I blame you. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #14

Arctic Dave for senator. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #44

I'll have to run as an Independent. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #115

After this latest debacle of a legislative session, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #177

Does registering as an independent mean he has to leave? merrily Apr 2013 #217

fantastic idea hfojvt Apr 2013 #15

Dean is talking about quitting the Dem Party also? Wow! sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #35

If Dean is abandoning the party... hootinholler Apr 2013 #122

Yeah, but it was crystal clear even before Dean made that tweet. n/t cui bono Apr 2013 #283

I heard he was starting a new focus of turning purple states blue.... midnight Apr 2013 #319

Interesting. He could still do all that as an Independent I suppose. Maybe he would be more free to sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #320

I think he could be very effective again.... midnight Apr 2013 #322

Same argument that got us into this mess FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #182

no, my argument is that hfojvt Apr 2013 #197

This mess did not start in 2000, though. merrily Apr 2013 #215

the mess got a lot worse in a myriad number of ways in 2000 hfojvt Apr 2013 #220

Yes, but we were in a mess long before 2000. merrily Apr 2013 #222

You give up that easy? Then you deserve what you get. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #17

+1 daleanime Apr 2013 #18

+1 nt Zorra Apr 2013 #19

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2013 #95

The PTB already are playing the Hillary card. truedelphi Apr 2013 #347

HilliWar is inevitable! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #349

the word is Hillitary Whisp Apr 2013 #361

OK. I'll carry a little extra and try to take up the slack. Who's with me? n/t dimbear Apr 2013 #20

So you've voted against your conscience in the past? egduj Apr 2013 #21

I've voted against a nagging little voice in my head Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #249

Um... I have! Almost every election. Especially the last presidential one. cui bono Apr 2013 #284

well...whatever Joel thakkar Apr 2013 #22

People who want change understand it is not going to come in one or two elections. merrily Apr 2013 #231

well... zappaman Apr 2013 #23

Obama destroyed Chained CPI.. and you're leaving? TekGryphon Apr 2013 #24

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory bhikkhu Apr 2013 #27

Oh please, stop the nonsense. We are grown ups here. We have been hearing his opinion on this for sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #37

It took Obama 48 hours to do what we couldn't in years TekGryphon Apr 2013 #61

What he got was Republicans claiming to be the party of the people who will 'never reduce the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #65

If you believe that, then I bet you believe Republicans are the party of... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #70

Are you aware that Lincoln was a Rpublican? GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #98

Modern day Republicans aren't the party of Lincoln ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2013 #227

Yes the republicans were the party that abolished slavery..... bowens43 Apr 2013 #109

He came in here all shiny and new and full of rage Rex Apr 2013 #219

Wrong again. So 'subtle' this 'game of 'showing the people how uncooperative the Republicans are'. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #123

Plus if this is such a brilliant policy, how come he won't use it truedelphi Apr 2013 #348

+1,000,000,000 cui bono Apr 2013 #287

Well to give the Loyalists credit - truedelphi Apr 2013 #360

seriously, youre making yourself look foolish. bowens43 Apr 2013 #108

Versus using the bully pulpit to deride the Chained CPI? (nt) Babel_17 Apr 2013 #117

Bwah! nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #40

Huh? So now it's genius to propose something you don't want? Alice in Wonderland. Armstead Apr 2013 #104

The propaganda is getting weirdly Orwellian: "He proposes cuts because he opposes them." woo me with science Apr 2013 #153

Chained CPI instantly blew up in Obama's face AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #169

When is he going to give it up? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #176

Lol, that made me laugh. It is a first I believe. Maybe Bush was doing things he really opposed also sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #324

LMAO! cui bono Apr 2013 #289

wow what ridiculous spin....hey want to buy some ocean front property in Nebraska? bowens43 Apr 2013 #107

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"never seeing the light at the end of the rainbow" AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #178

If you think Chained CPI is Obama's goal... TekGryphon Apr 2013 #181

So, Obama proposed it because he is against it.... AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #195

It's tic tac toe, try to keep up. TekGryphon Apr 2013 #199

Please note the date of the merrily Apr 2013 #218

Ridiculous. Chained CPI was as much Obama's idea as the Individual Mandate TekGryphon Apr 2013 #251

Did you click on the first link? Or the second? merrily Apr 2013 #266

Wait, tic tac toe? What dimension of it was it??? cui bono Apr 2013 #293

Thinkers??? cui bono Apr 2013 #290

This is laughable AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #166

Oh gawd... spare me the bullshit eleventh dimension chess rhetoric, please. cui bono Apr 2013 #286

a dieu ... WheelWalker Apr 2013 #25

Another leaving the Dems because Obama didn't do all he promised to do. demosincebirth Apr 2013 #26

Or because he willingly did that which he promised not to? FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #232

I just wake up from a nightmare where Romney was president. think about that? demosincebirth Apr 2013 #239

We have a democrat who's to the right of Reagan because people keep talking like you FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #241

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911 treestar Apr 2013 #143

True AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #170

GWB and the American people's desire for change. cui bono Apr 2013 #299

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Your turn to provide the proof. n/t Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #68

Sounds pretty wishful..link? anything? pipoman Apr 2013 #74

Wishful? Anything but Recursion Apr 2013 #77

Maybe we agree pipoman Apr 2013 #99

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I've posted it several times Recursion Apr 2013 #337

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I hope you can offer SOME .. sendero Apr 2013 #81

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Poll after poll.. sendero Apr 2013 #83

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Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Right wingers generally get angry over things like SS cuts sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #323

Don't leave, now is the most exciting and freeing time we've had for a long time. Because now we sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #47

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word. Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #48

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Your humanity... Fedaykin Apr 2013 #52

Sorry for your loss. cliffordu Apr 2013 #53

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If people are willing to change their principles when one of their 'team' does something they would sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #58

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I'll alert the media n/t Lil Missy Apr 2013 #55

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Spite? Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #247

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he didnt say cause..he said conscience xiamiam Apr 2013 #126

sacrificing cause for conscience. DCBob Apr 2013 #152

no..nt xiamiam Apr 2013 #164

how about illogical? DCBob Apr 2013 #252

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I always vote my conscience. I don't vote a party. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #278

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Stopped reading at Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #350

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So is blind contempt. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #352

You're a little confused, my friend. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #355

No, you seem confused, my friend Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #356

You see..... Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #318

We had 2 Greens on the Minneapolis City Council, and one ended up in prison progree Apr 2013 #321

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Who gives a flying fuck? nt DevonRex Apr 2013 #335

where you ever ? olddots Apr 2013 #338

Good for you. sagat Apr 2013 #341