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ProSense

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40. No, it hasn't

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:28 AM

Apr 2013

"There might be temporary "collateral damage" to the GOP while they try to get their messaging straight. But they will move beyond it, give Frank Lutz a call and get their messages in order in time to pummel Democrats with it by the next election season. "

Lutz?

Have you been gone that long? Republicans just lost an election and Democrats gained seats in the Senate.

These declarations of doom remind me of the ones about Obama losing the election.

Why are people putting so much effort into insisting that this will doom Democrats who clearly don't support the proposal?

The OP points to Republican hypocrisy, and then people attempt to make the case for a Republican victory.

The infighting among Republicans is over support for their own proposal, which they dare not support.

Democrats are having no trouble rejecting this proposal, which they never supported.

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Obama Joins the Club [View all] WilliamPitt Apr 2013 OP

+++++ n/t haikugal Apr 2013 #1

Country club? blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #137

Well said, Will. smokey nj Apr 2013 #2

I wonder sometimes about BO's political acumen cilla4progress Apr 2013 #3

I think you give him too much credit. His actions are far right of center. From Crapsurance health grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #26

And these 'few other things'. randome Apr 2013 #29

this libodem Apr 2013 #105

Bread for the rabble Angelonthesidelines Apr 2013 #112

That's the DLC battle cry. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #146

That is embarrassingly thin for a man with an overwhelming MANDATE for CHANGE. bvar22 Apr 2013 #131

He had to be pushed to support gay marriage, grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #133

Mr. Fierce Advocate: A dollar short, and a day late. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #136

Sorry, but I have to remind you that Obama spent almost all of his first term opposing Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #138

None of those things watoos Apr 2013 #149

Getting close to UA status with this email. lark Apr 2013 #57

History will NOT be kind to him duffyduff Apr 2013 #130

yeppers! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #132

K&R quinnox Apr 2013 #4

hard core fan is as hard core fan does ... AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #42

Nice example of the classic apologist. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #58

Yep. Large as life. n/t AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #140

Thanks for the laugh Larrylarry Apr 2013 #5

Watch it happen. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #7

Well then , get ready for Obscene, because it has already happened n2doc Apr 2013 #11

It's already happening, laughing guy. 99Forever Apr 2013 #15

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What's it like living in bizzarro backward world? It's the Repukes that should compromise. L0oniX Apr 2013 #77

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Ok mr no fact links ...so now you speak for the majority? The stage is all yours. L0oniX Apr 2013 #93

You won't fool anyone here FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #94

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #104

America wants Obama to shift to the right? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #101

'Giving away the farm'? Now THAT'S hyperbole! randome Apr 2013 #102

Democrats abandoned the party in 2010 and look what happened. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #89

What kind of pizza would you prefer? 99Forever Apr 2013 #123

We have equal credibility on DU. Don't engage in hero worship. randome Apr 2013 #71

"Minor Changes" BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #19

Clueless aren't we, laughing guy? Its happening already. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #24

LMAO ...ok grasshopper. Now we are laughing at you. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #39

Duh, they've already done it lark Apr 2013 #60

If, as you say, you are laughing, this guy should also be laughing with you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #64

They already have. Marr Apr 2013 #116

One other glaring and puzzling aspect of this issue is the lack of Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #6

You don't brag about making fools of the Republicans... randome Apr 2013 #17

Yes Obama is in the club but not the one where he made a big mistake. wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #8

Classic Carlin. Brigid Apr 2013 #27

One of Carlin's greatest clips... Moostache Apr 2013 #73

The Audacity of Stupid? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #9

"Never mind the hypocrisy of Republicans ... ProSense Apr 2013 #10

"they'll be heroes" LMFAO oh man that was good. Hows church going for ya? n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #43

"If it goes to a vote and is "voted down by his fellow Democrats," they'll be heroes." delrem Apr 2013 #134

Seriously, is there anything Obama does that you do not defend??? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #150

WOW! The whole Truth Out piece is well worth the read. KoKo Apr 2013 #12

Yeah, this is where I pretty much tune out of caring geek tragedy Apr 2013 #13

I think the prediction about this hanging over Democrats' necks is unlikely bigtree Apr 2013 #14

A party that has to run away from and denounce geek tragedy Apr 2013 #16

On the other hand, Democrats can easily portray themselves as independent of the President. randome Apr 2013 #18

Yeah, and when you find members of a party geek tragedy Apr 2013 #22

Who's 'tripping'? Other than DUers? randome Apr 2013 #30

Well, he's put them in a spot, no? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #31

First of all ProSense Apr 2013 #21

Sure, but now the Democrats' leader has proposed geek tragedy Apr 2013 #25

There are ProSense Apr 2013 #32

Obama's budget includes increased financial burdens geek tragedy Apr 2013 #36

jobs will dominate the debate bigtree Apr 2013 #28

Jobs? Washington has stopped talking about jobs, and geek tragedy Apr 2013 #34

voters haven't stopped talking about jobs bigtree Apr 2013 #38

The problem is that when people ask "what will geek tragedy Apr 2013 #41

no bigtree Apr 2013 #45

If the administration didn't want chained CPI geek tragedy Apr 2013 #46

major point of discussion, where? bigtree Apr 2013 #47

Democrats got hammered in 2010 for $700 billion in geek tragedy Apr 2013 #49

no they didn't. That's MSM spin bigtree Apr 2013 #62

Have you looked at what's actually in Toomey-Manchin? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #74

This may be the time for Dem reps to add "US jobs"as a core principle and... L0oniX Apr 2013 #82

ya know bigtree Apr 2013 #92

Most seniors I know would work to supplement their SS if they could find a job... L0oniX Apr 2013 #97

maybe you're right and seniors will dominate the off-term election bigtree Apr 2013 #100

I've seen the suggestion of a 3rd party with a focus on SS/Medicare as the dominate alignment... L0oniX Apr 2013 #103

if it can bring them to Congress with those values, it's worthwhile (for a progressive) bigtree Apr 2013 #107

I'm not a rocket scienist but I wonder why Obama has seemingly not considered that. L0oniX Apr 2013 #109

I see it as part of the nonsense he told us during his first primary campaign bigtree Apr 2013 #113

'Radioactive' tblue Apr 2013 #50

Stop with the obfuscations. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #141

nice word bigtree Apr 2013 #152

This is not good cop/bad cop. It's not nth-dimensional chess. It's politics. randome Apr 2013 #20

It may be throwing GOP into temporary disarray, but it's intensified permenent Democratic disarray Armstead Apr 2013 #33

Of course you could be right. But the GOP hasn't been organized for almost a decade now. randome Apr 2013 #37

I hope you are right, but history proves otehrwise Armstead Apr 2013 #76

The changing demographics are one thing they can't run away from. randome Apr 2013 #79

I hope you are right....But by the time the change really takes hold it may be too late Armstead Apr 2013 #84

Well said Armstead... haikugal Apr 2013 #139

No, it hasn't ProSense Apr 2013 #40

Republicans lost an election and they manage to keep the debate on their terms Armstead Apr 2013 #75

Really? ProSense Apr 2013 #78

Really....TEMPORARY Disarray Armstead Apr 2013 #87

Even if ProSense Apr 2013 #91

You are engaged in wishful thinking Armstead Apr 2013 #106

Wait ProSense Apr 2013 #114

I'm not trying to "spin" anything Armstead Apr 2013 #124

It's OBAMA who wants "austerity" duffyduff Apr 2013 #127

Point is its bad politics. tblue Apr 2013 #51

There is no evidence it is bad. randome Apr 2013 #54

Don't count on it. n/t duffyduff Apr 2013 #128

Well, this will piss off the Professional Obama-Lovers Club RetroLounge Apr 2013 #23

gotta stand strong against the fact-free, innuendo bigtree Apr 2013 #48

Keep telling yourself that RetroLounge Apr 2013 #144

gawd, you're dense bigtree Apr 2013 #151

As long as you think so... RetroLounge Apr 2013 #153

The POLC church loves to link you to death ...no discussion ...just a massive amount links. L0oniX Apr 2013 #53

They are almost, what's the word? RetroLounge Apr 2013 #145

Thank You - Well Said cantbeserious Apr 2013 #35

Obama blinked. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #44

Funny, I think it's you guys who blinked TekGryphon Apr 2013 #55

No REAL Democrat would ever bring SS cuts to the table and ... L0oniX Apr 2013 #67

Really? ProSense Apr 2013 #85

I guess you missed the word "cuts". n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #90

No, but ProSense Apr 2013 #96

...and Carter didn't get a second term. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #98

Look at the bigger picture. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #70

Cuts to SS have been in the public eye since Bush proposed privatizing it Oilwellian Apr 2013 #110

Are the add backs to military spending also dead? is race to the top dead? TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #126

At what point will Obama be smart enough to withdraw his let's-lower-SS-with-a-chained-CPI proposal? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #52

Good cop went off script. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #56

if the Pres wants to save the economy with SS ThomThom Apr 2013 #59

Wave his magic wand? randome Apr 2013 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author graham4anything Apr 2013 #61

thank you Mr. Pitt! -Tthe best thing we can do as Democrats is to denounce the Obama Administration Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #63

Contact your Dem reps to encourage them to speak up against Obama's offer... L0oniX Apr 2013 #72

I actually know him personally and he is a very liberal Democrat who has been very supportive of Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #81

K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #65

i agree Bill. This president seems to like samsingh Apr 2013 #80

Let's make this very real. SCVDem Apr 2013 #83

That handful of 'smart people' here keep shouting the same old bullshit. Rex Apr 2013 #86

Everyone is guessing at this point. And 'Fall in line or else' is hyperbole. randome Apr 2013 #95

Not at all, some here want me and others to 'fall in line or else' Rex Apr 2013 #99

"Instead, he threw a live hand grenade at his own people." MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #108

Obama should throw himself on that grenade to save the Dem party from defeat in 2014 & 2016. L0oniX Apr 2013 #118

Destroying the New Deal, Great Society and public education are part of his agenda duffyduff Apr 2013 #129

i was in my doctors office this morning.... madrchsod Apr 2013 #111

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Apr 2013 #117

No, no-- I've already been assured that, if the Democrats suffer at the polls for Obama's betrayal, Marr Apr 2013 #115

I was telling some friends to watch and you will know Rex Apr 2013 #119

Spot-On, Will !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #120

Meh. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #121

Let's hope it's not a Zombie proposal Babel_17 Apr 2013 #122

Win by losing. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #125

Hey dont you remember Obama did the same thing to us INdemo Apr 2013 #135

I wish from the bottom of my heart that I could find some way to disagree with Zorra Apr 2013 #142

Can't agree with your take on this dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #143

K&R idwiyo Apr 2013 #147

I fully supported Obama, but this is a major colossal blunder of the first magnitude. olegramps Apr 2013 #148