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425. SETI is looking for evidence of intelligent signals, not of Earthly visitation

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:39 PM

Apr 2013

Although I'm highly doubtful of the success of SETI for precisely the reason I mentioned - there is likely an extremely narrow slice of time during which any civilization would rely on broadcast technology that would be detected. We are already on a sharp downward turn here with most communication taking place via fiber, coax cable and satellite (see: http://www.bidstrup.com/seti.htm).

The only time I read Kaku discussing energy depletion and climate change was to dismiss them as challenges that humanity would overcome, without really getting into the details. I haven't read or viewed all of his works, admitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by "recall radio waves and the two Voyagers". Was that something you felt I'd suggested should or could happen?

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People who have taken this topic seriously are no longer on the air... fadedrose Apr 2013 #1

Forgot to mention - the enormous interest she has generated in the topic....nt fadedrose Apr 2013 #2

I saw Ratigan interview Leslie Kean. ZX86 Apr 2013 #8

It all gets very very weird. Someone someplace knows a hell of a lot more about all of RKP5637 Apr 2013 #9

Maybe presidents are out of the loop and really don't know Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #60

No, the Presidents are privy to this knowledge Mnpaul Apr 2013 #73

Crop circles as well... Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #89

I said advanced not perfect Mnpaul Apr 2013 #94

Sci-Fi movies would tell me they are "not" so advanced to avoid crashing Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #100

Carl Sagan on crop circles Brainstormy Apr 2013 #134

Not as simple as that... truth2power Apr 2013 #297

No alien life was found on a meteorite Peregrine Apr 2013 #281

Didn't know it was debunked Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #286

Maybe not. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #109

Aliens can travel the galaxy but can't overcome govt. secrecy jberryhill Apr 2013 #131

zing!! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #137

Ah yes, like that famous scene nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #226

I think there is, in fact, there has to be IMO. No responsible nation is going to let RKP5637 Apr 2013 #150

"you don't know the half of it" Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #289

Miles O'Brien left CNN because CNN dumped the entire science and technology unit unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #63

i thought he left.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #138

I have seen a UFO twice in my life AverageMe Apr 2013 #70

By the way, this was more then 40 years ago and I still remember it AverageMe Apr 2013 #77

I too have seen some strange stuff Mnpaul Apr 2013 #80

All things are really possible in a world of infinite permutations and combinations ... it is RKP5637 Apr 2013 #153

I'd like to think that they are. When I'm even older I will remember that snappyturtle Apr 2013 #335

~100 years ago, many people thought they were doing well if they had indoor RKP5637 Apr 2013 #345

You're so right. My brain is forever imprinted. Others really can't snappyturtle Apr 2013 #334

30 for me....1983! I look at it as a little unexpected gift! nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #333

Me too. The late evening, 10:30 or so with my five year old daughter in snappyturtle Apr 2013 #82

I saw a UFO once NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #361

There might be another reason the History Channel mixes UFO stuff in with ghosts, vampires auras,.. Captain Stern Apr 2013 #108

no shanti Apr 2013 #205

Pandering to the lowest common denominator and the ignorant masses for profit? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #216

Dylan Ratifan wasn't disappeared Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #133

Yep, and I strongly agree with you. The universe is a vast and RKP5637 Apr 2013 #3

I think you're the only sane voice in this conversation. nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #339

Thanks! Part of my education was/is in the sciences ... and the more I learned the RKP5637 Apr 2013 #348

I think many forget UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object magellan Apr 2013 #4

Exactly. If it can't be identified it's obviously a bug-eyed extraterrestrial! Owl Apr 2013 #321

THANK you! nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #336

quite right NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #365

Bingo! hatrack Apr 2013 #428

There's more evidence that UFOs exist than there is that God does but she'd NEVER mock forestpath Apr 2013 #5

And, there's always the chance God = UFO! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #11

.. Flying Spaghetti Monster cvoogt Apr 2013 #17

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could well be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RKP5637 Apr 2013 #24

There ya go!!!! forestpath Apr 2013 #223

No, there's marginally more evidence for God. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #122

Marginally more evidence for God? Gore1FL Apr 2013 #152

+1, n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #154

What I just said, in the post you're replying to... Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #155

I don't know the statistics of your claim, but it doesn't matter. Gore1FL Apr 2013 #162

Sorry, but a person having an experience they do not understand does not equate to evidence for god. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #195

Yes, it does. Not strong evidence, but evidence. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #201

Evidence. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #207

And someone who says that they had an experience which they did understand? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #208

Stop it. You're projecting your insecurities onto me. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #212

How much do you know about Bayesian statistics? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #343

Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, not evidence. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #350

True, but irrelevant, since that's not what I'm doing. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #375

People saying " I have experienced X" is not evidence for "X", it's evidence of an experience. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #390

Depends on the context doesn't it? ZX86 Apr 2013 #392

This isnt a U.S. Court, this is reality. And in reality, empirical evidence is the only evidence cleanhippie Apr 2013 #393

U.S. courts are not reality? ZX86 Apr 2013 #395

My point is that this is not a court of law. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #397

How is it a red herring? ZX86 Apr 2013 #398

Since you brought up context, did you read this sub-thread to get the context? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #400

I get the context. ZX86 Apr 2013 #403

Not worlds apart at all. The empirical evidence for either premise is non-existent. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #405

You are mistaken. ZX86 Apr 2013 #410

I am not mistaken. Currently, there is no empirical evidence to support the existence cleanhippie Apr 2013 #416

I think we might agree. ZX86 Apr 2013 #417

So what was your point of posting the OP then? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #418

Deserve ridicule? Seriously? ZX86 Apr 2013 #419

The IDEA is deserving of ridicule. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #422

So you would ridicule a war veteran for his beliefs? ZX86 Apr 2013 #423

I would consider a war vet who makes those claims to be dealing with bigger issues cleanhippie Apr 2013 #424

You clearly stated that that "People" ZX86 Apr 2013 #426

Are they claiming the UFO they sighted was ALIENS? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #429

Not true. At least according to the participants of the COMETA Report. ZX86 Apr 2013 #430

They are entitled to their opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #431

They are also entitled to be ridiculed or mocked zappaman Apr 2013 #433

Pretty much. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #435

Opinions from people with serious credientials. ZX86 Apr 2013 #436

Again, who a person is or what their credentials are mean squat. If there is no empirical evidence cleanhippie Apr 2013 #438

I totally agree with his theories about the brain. My theory and those of others is that the brain WCLinolVir Apr 2013 #408

ROFL snooper2 Apr 2013 #324

Rachel only mocks ONE group. And I find her double standard hypocritical and forestpath Apr 2013 #222

Two matters: snappyturtle Apr 2013 #338

With the vastness of space and the difficulty of interstellar travel... onehandle Apr 2013 #6

"but they have never been here." ... but how do you know that for sure? n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #14

Sci-fi movies show regular people 'rocketing' around. onehandle Apr 2013 #22

Yep, quite true ... conventional travel is absurd. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #27

Sorry, but you don't get to pull the fallacy of "argumentum ad ignorantiam..." Moonwalk Apr 2013 #42

... we'll never know. ... we'll be long gone. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #52

You're assuming traveling at the speed of light. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #200

complete woo. pseudoscientific quantum woo. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #224

Yes, that is our understanding of it. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #230

Granted. But if we accept that, then why are these amazing beings so sloppy? Moonwalk Apr 2013 #274

It could be the graduate class from Gliesse 589 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #275

The grad class from Gilesse 581 actually makes sense--we're the final frat boy ritual... Moonwalk Apr 2013 #319

Enter the lowest number outside of zero and solve it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #320

What is the "lowest number outside of zero"? n/t LTX Apr 2013 #344

I have entered very low variables nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #349

Why would the lowest number not be one? (a stupid question, I'm sure . . .) n/t LTX Apr 2013 #396

The lower number of civilizations nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #399

Oh. Of course. LTX Apr 2013 #401

I hope you're not a Christian. If you are, you have a lot of 'splainin'" to do. nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #341

Then Rachel should have some scientists come on her show and say that. ZX86 Apr 2013 #19

How do you know? Mnpaul Apr 2013 #79

you wanna know why nobody takes the tinfoil hat crowd seriously? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #98

Tin foil hat? Mnpaul Apr 2013 #102

+1, n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #157

He does nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #197

ANYTHING is possible, little is plausible. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #198

Ever heard of the quantum level? The science is growing. Very rude post.nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #106

What is really interesting is the work being done by David LaPoint Mnpaul Apr 2013 #111

no what is rude is expecting me or anyone else.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #142

My goodness - He's really a maroon! GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #192

You have a lot of hubris Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #206

what does that arblegarble even mean? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #215

Woo or not ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #219

let's not make this about me plz. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #220

Yes, I did mean anthropocentric. Excuse me, I'm on muscle relaxers, and had a "moment." Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #221

you are still trying to make this about me to deflect from the fact.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #225

You made this about you. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #227

no you made this about me. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #229

I don't agree. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #232

I will repeat this, if you were alive at the time of Galileo nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #237

I love Michio Kaku Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #241

Yes he is. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #243

Yes, they kept and keep open minds, and certainly don't act like our resident know-it-all. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #245

As a science fiction writer I have to keep my mind open as well nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #242

No, I will not kindly fuck off nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #244

i have *hubris*! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #234

I'm happy for you. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #236

jeesh, what a ridiculous smear NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #362

Exactly. krispos42 Apr 2013 #143

yeh but you're being *rude* Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #144

Well, the universe is a pretty big place krispos42 Apr 2013 #146

space is always easy to travel through.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #149

Not so. ... spin Apr 2013 #250

yes i posted a link to similar info downthread.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #251

To us, yes. To the travelers at 1 g constant acceleration not so much. ... spin Apr 2013 #300

"our planet would have been colonized millions of years ago." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #306

and there are many who say it was NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #367

I seen the theories that earth is a life seeding project... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #374

lots of people think they ARE here NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #363

Aliens are not visiting earth. No proof at all. Pilots do not matter. Neither do police. Rachel..... Logical Apr 2013 #7

Mocking is not journalism. ZX86 Apr 2013 #12

Rachel is not a traditional journalist. Most commentary. Mocking pseudo science falls in that area. Logical Apr 2013 #18

If someone was selling bogus cancer treatments ZX86 Apr 2013 #25

Cancer treatments are real. There is proof. Aliens visiting earth is not. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #26

Bogus cancer treatments are not real. ZX86 Apr 2013 #36

They are mistaken. Like PHDs in Geology who claim the earth is 6000 years old. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #38

Then why are they mistaken? ZX86 Apr 2013 #41

I do to a doctor who believes in god. Same difference. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #44

Does your doctor see God during the performance of his duties? ZX86 Apr 2013 #48

We do fly in planes piloted by people who make mistakes. Luckily, there are instruments... Moonwalk Apr 2013 #45

Reporting a UFO is not a simple mistake. ZX86 Apr 2013 #57

Yes it is. Especially if the pilot isn't sober...this may make you never want to fly again-- Moonwalk Apr 2013 #265

Unsupported blanket statement? ZX86 Apr 2013 #389

They are not reporting "alien" visitation they are reporting unidentified objects. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #86

Then if they AREN'T actually space aliens the pilots claiming to have seen "something weird" Occulus Apr 2013 #43

Is your argument that no pilot has ever claimed to see a UFO that was later explained? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #46

No, my claim is that all the craft that seem to be UFOs were later explained by advanced craft Occulus Apr 2013 #56

She should mock this bullshit alarimer Apr 2013 #145

Ever been ghost hunting yourself? (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2013 #28

No, not looked for vampires either. Or unicorns. Or Santa Claus. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #33

So you can't really speak about it then The Straight Story Apr 2013 #61

It's okay to be open-minded Apophis Apr 2013 #68

Every pseudo science as a person like you with a personal experience.... Logical Apr 2013 #88

+1 ... quite true, it's difficult to be an observer when one has, is in, the same RKP5637 Apr 2013 #156

If your intution tells you that what you've seen but cannot explain is ghosts, gods, or aliens... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #199

I haven't read anywhere on this site of anyone claiming/admitting what they saw was the snappyturtle Apr 2013 #337

Nope. ZX86 Apr 2013 #37

U.S Government has taken the UFO phenomenon very seriously in the past. ZX86 Apr 2013 #47

So do the astronauts count? They have seen things also. My ex-fil was a police detective and tracked Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #107

I find it odd that now, when cameras are everywhere and people carry phone everywhere that.... Logical Apr 2013 #140

nope. the astronauts don't count either. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #158

Well, of course you're wrong. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #110

Really, no pilot has reported a UFO that was easily explained. Even many UFO "experts" admit most... Logical Apr 2013 #379

Of course you know nothing. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #381

LOL, then anything might be true! Unicorns! Send me definite proof of ANY..... Logical Apr 2013 #382

No need. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #383

You have none, I get it! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #387

"Pilots do not matter"? WTF? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #364

Are you serious? Want a list of pilots who reported UFOs that turned out to be easily explained??? Logical Apr 2013 #378

yes, I am serious NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #441

We are evidence of aliens - the notion that we are alone in the universe seems almost like religious aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #434

Why would Rachel Maddow even bother mentioning it? Quantess Apr 2013 #10

Maybe because of the recent WikiLeaks releases. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #105

Actually this post will be moved per DU rules MattBaggins Apr 2013 #13

It's not a UFO topic. ZX86 Apr 2013 #15

It's a UFO post MattBaggins Apr 2013 #16

It's about a news person making fun nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #23

Wrong. Read it closer. This is not about UFOs. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #20

There is something to the subject nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #21

Exactly! ... "we would see panic." n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #30

I think it is nation dependent. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #35

I saw one. Everyone can mock it if they will but I know what I saw one snappyturtle Apr 2013 #59

too many have seen the chupacabra too.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #147

Yep, you caught me....I made it up! snappyturtle Apr 2013 #167

97% of sightings can be explained, world wide nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #182

i never said we were alone in the universe.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #184

Right now we could nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #186

i have read on it.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #188

Physicists believe warp drives are possible nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #191

With our current tech level nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #269

I have had two UFO sightings in my lifetime... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #255

I had one in Mexico that may or may not qualify nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #258

Seen what? Seeing something you cannot explain does not equate to aliens. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #203

I saw an unidentified flying object 60 miles NW of Chicago. snappyturtle Apr 2013 #252

Could it have been something made on earth? immoderate Apr 2013 #293

I have no idea if it could be from Earth or not. All I know is that snappyturtle Apr 2013 #332

Neat story. Are aliens the best and most plausible explanation? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #315

I'm not suggesting anything. I have no idea what it was. The lights were SO snappyturtle Apr 2013 #331

I am sure that 2naSalit Apr 2013 #358

That lame excuse has been around for decades. Archae Apr 2013 #40

Yep, quite true ... as technology marches forward RKP5637 Apr 2013 #50

Yes, it is lacking. Archae Apr 2013 #81

Would you put religion in the same category? ... I do. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #151

Great post, but you left off one thing from your list...Gods. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #204

Panic? longship Apr 2013 #128

The science community, nope, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #180

In about 1981, I was driving along defacto7 Apr 2013 #29

Well, you did see an UFO nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #31

If commercial and military pilots are reporting seeing UFO's ZX86 Apr 2013 #32

but.. but.. aren't you being *rude*..? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #159

I pray to the Lords that there is 'intelligent life' out there because it sure as hell can't be Purveyor Apr 2013 #34

And of course I HAD to do this.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #74

That was great...thank you for posting. Purveyor Apr 2013 #99

I think he's made up to look like the "geocentric guy" up thread. immoderate Apr 2013 #294

I love that song! 2naSalit Apr 2013 #376

So,....can we have your liver? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #380

Only after I'm done with it. 2naSalit Apr 2013 #388

ITA. I didn't see it -- I don't usually watch her show -- but it sounds beneath her to do that. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #39

oh, FFS... zappaman Apr 2013 #49

but of course, there can't be any other intelligence in the whole universe besides Rachel's. Whisp Apr 2013 #51

Not everything is a real issue. Deep13 Apr 2013 #53

I've seen plenty of programs analyze why people believe ZX86 Apr 2013 #58

TV shows? nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #67

Yes. TV Shows. ZX86 Apr 2013 #85

Non-issue, maybe but real none the less....possible. Please enlighten snappyturtle Apr 2013 #62

The concept that the Earth is a destination for space aliens generally... Deep13 Apr 2013 #65

Sorry but that's thin at best. So-o it was debunked because of projection of snappyturtle Apr 2013 #76

big enough to include alien life forms you mean.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #161

???? What did you eat for breakfast? Vitriol? snappyturtle Apr 2013 #169

let's not make this about me plz.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #171

With our current technology base you mean nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #185

And if that technology is thousands, if not millions of years ahead of ours... theHandpuppet Apr 2013 #384

Alas we are already doing that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #386

Every issue is open to corruption.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #104

very true. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #117

I didn't see it Gore1FL Apr 2013 #54

Since when does yellow journalism Riftaxe Apr 2013 #114

I rank Rachel above Fox when it comes to professionalism Gore1FL Apr 2013 #148

I think someone up thread expressed it best: Mocking is not journalism. gateley Apr 2013 #55

I don't think it's about beliefs. ZX86 Apr 2013 #69

Maybe she is mocking it because Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #78

I think a lot of them are military top secret, but I can't say for sure that all of them are -- gateley Apr 2013 #84

i don't mock believers either just for believing, but.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #170

Maybe they just want their questions answered and their concerns addressed. gateley Apr 2013 #253

but there's no reasoning with true believers. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #254

That may very well be, but that's not a justification for mocking them. gateley Apr 2013 #296

My understanding is the hearing is not simply sci fi, living at home, fanboys "demanding truth" ZX86 Apr 2013 #257

They're right about only one thing. They are unidentified. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #64

Whether we're alone in the galaxy or not is not the issue. ZX86 Apr 2013 #72

I thought the issue was the way the topic was covered by a supposedly open minded Liberal. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #75

Being an open minded liberal has nothing to do with it. ZX86 Apr 2013 #91

It's part of a journalistic formula.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #95

yes and corporate and military engineers and officers.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #173

Corporate cover up? Apophis Apr 2013 #66

Seems to be three camps on UFOs... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #71

you forgot the ufo group of the forth kind... Javaman Apr 2013 #83

Met one of those. They were hostile about most everything. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #87

Yup, that's me... Javaman Apr 2013 #217

Funny you would use this... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #218

Yes, blame the icon. Javaman Apr 2013 #347

I've seen ufos. Apophis Apr 2013 #90

Expected a cat picture with that post. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #92

I hate cat pictures. Apophis Apr 2013 #93

With the Eye of Ra??? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #96

It's the eye of Horus, actually. Apophis Apr 2013 #97

Great,....my fiance hates cats as much as her bird does. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #101

so what did you see? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #369

Something beyond our physics... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #373

hello from camp 3.5 roscoeroscoe Apr 2013 #439

What I find funny is people who speak with certainty that it's all fake. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #440

Recommendable. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #103

Almost all science was at one time considered pseudoscience Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #112

It was only a few years ago ZX86 Apr 2013 #113

Exactly. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #116

Yes, but a lot of pseudoscience is still just pseudoscience. randome Apr 2013 #132

Yep, well said, I do the same. To me, it is quite foolish for one to assume they know everything RKP5637 Apr 2013 #163

No one is suggesting they know everything about the universe Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #168

Yep, agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #174

Fine. ZX86 Apr 2013 #259

Because her show is about politics not astronomy Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #261

Rachel has scientists on her show all the time explaining ZX86 Apr 2013 #264

Climate change and pollution are real issues Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #267

In context they are related. ZX86 Apr 2013 #276

One is worthy of serious discussion Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #278

When the U.S. Airforce convenes a committee to study ZX86 Apr 2013 #283

Climate science is real science, there is no such thing as UFO science Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #284

If there is no such thing as UFO science? ZX86 Apr 2013 #288

Point me to a peer reviewed study on UFOs Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #290

COMETA Report ZX86 Apr 2013 #295

I searched for the COMETA report and it is clear it was not peer reviewed Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #298

Who claimed the COMETA Report was peer reviewed? ZX86 Apr 2013 #301

The former Congress members who are participating in the fake hearing are being paid $20,000 each Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #302

I fail to see the relevance. ZX86 Apr 2013 #307

Ask any legal expert and they will tell you eye witnesses are very unreliable Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #309

Again what is the relevance? ZX86 Apr 2013 #312

Eyewitnesses who say they saw an alien spaceship in court... Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #314

Michio Kaku and Neil DeGrassee Tyson nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #270

how very open-minded of you NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #360

I am open minded to ideas with evidence to back them up Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #366

well, this is complicated NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #370

Yes it is more complicated than people want to admit, but it is humans complicating it not aliens Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #371

Absoultely no evidence? ZX86 Apr 2013 #372

But this is not science, scientists are not claiming we are being visited by aliens Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #166

why are you being so hostile? :sarcasm: Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #175

You're missing the point. ZX86 Apr 2013 #262

Radical debunkers? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #263

Again, not the issue. ZX86 Apr 2013 #266

Who cares whether or not they see them? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #271

And 97% are easily explained nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #273

Who cares? Who cares? ZX86 Apr 2013 #280

Has there ever been a case of a commercial airliner colliding with a UFO? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #282

You're not making sense. ZX86 Apr 2013 #285

I don't feel a pilot's personal beliefs are relevant to his safe handling of a plane Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #287

Call mecrazy but..... ZX86 Apr 2013 #291

So tell me, how does a pilot identify a classified military aircraft? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #292

Pilots should report any and all unusual occurances they experience on duty. ZX86 Apr 2013 #299

Should they also fake a Congressional hearing if they see something? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #303

What's your point? ZX86 Apr 2013 #308

They don't have credibility, that is the point. Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #310

Based on what? ZX86 Apr 2013 #313

I am basing it on the fact that they claim to have seen something that is scientifically impossible Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #316

That's a fair opinion. I can accept. ZX86 Apr 2013 #317

That's just straight up untrue... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #235

UFOs per se are one thing... pauliedangerously Apr 2013 #115

People who believe in woo-woo deserve to be mocked Hugabear Apr 2013 #118

Do people who believe in angels also "deserve to be mocked"? Quantess Apr 2013 #119

Yes. alphafemale Apr 2013 #121

Funny. "woo-woo" spontaneously flew out of my mouth when I read the thread title. alphafemale Apr 2013 #120

Maybe because the one thing America is not short of is huckstrers. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #124

i am asking myself that same question right now. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #176

BTW folks,...here's the episode... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #123

UFO loons should be mocked... SidDithers Apr 2013 #125

Rachel lost me after the 1st debate.No longer care what she says.I Just watch Rev. Al Sharpton. graham4anything Apr 2013 #126

Al Sharpton is definitely one of the 'good people' in life IMO! RKP5637 Apr 2013 #165

if the universe if infinitely large then there must be an infinite number of planets which do piratefish08 Apr 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2013 #129

no it's not 'plain ignorant'. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #178

What are your credentials? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #187

i do call it an appeal to authority.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #189

3% are not explained. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #193

Unexplained does NOT equate to aliens! n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #238

I did not make that equation either nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #240

That doesn't mean that ETs are visiting us Hugabear Apr 2013 #181

What if we ignore we are being screwed? get the red out Apr 2013 #130

Years ago, when the SR71 (then as the YF12) was being evaluated/tested, there bike man Apr 2013 #135

Rachel makes a living by mocking JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2013 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Turborama Apr 2013 #139

You cannot be serious. alarimer Apr 2013 #141

There was an interesting point in, I think, Close Encounters jberryhill Apr 2013 #164

Actually 3% of sightings are not explained nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #202

I don't "believe" in UFOs. But I do know that I saw one. Berlum Apr 2013 #160

not GroupThink.. CriticalThink. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #179

Medicus cura teipsum Berlum Apr 2013 #190

It's not Phil that needs to take that advice. n/t GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #194

what did you see exactly? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #368

I had an uncle who was a colonel in the AF during the early part of the cold war Victor_c3 Apr 2013 #172

Regarding this thread, the term "hot mess" comes to mind. Iggo Apr 2013 #177

I believe in UFOs and I don't mind that she is mocking believers Marrah_G Apr 2013 #183

As well she should. Silly notions deserve mockery. GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #196

When did mockery become staples of the scientific method or journalism? ZX86 Apr 2013 #256

The ignorance of science and the scientific method in this thread is astounding EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #209

+100 n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #210

yep. a real train wreck.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #213

The issue is responsible journalism. ZX86 Apr 2013 #260

The whole "the media is complicit in the conspiracy!!!11elevel!!1!" EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #268

+100 n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #272

Who claimed Rachel is part of a conspriracy? ZX86 Apr 2013 #279

some final thoughts.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #211

Their so advanced, we may not even see them Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #214

that's right! or even so advanced.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #228

We're all aliens with the DNA they implanted a couple thousand years ago Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #233

that explains a lot. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #239

I'll take her over... Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #248

Anchorage UFO Incident cantbeserious Apr 2013 #231

So utterly bizarre Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #246

Good for her! Not mocking such woo is a fault. MineralMan Apr 2013 #249

I'm honestly OK with UFO hearings being mocked. n/t gollygee Apr 2013 #277

Usually I love Rachel in all she does aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #304

Rachel is mocking the "panel of gerbils" that are conducting the "investigation." immoderate Apr 2013 #305

Who claimed that the ex-Congress persons were experts? ZX86 Apr 2013 #311

Well, I don't see that it causes any harm... immoderate Apr 2013 #325

Then there are people nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #318

No scientist 'discounts things out of hand...' immoderate Apr 2013 #322

I have nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #323

I put it at hitting the Powerball a dozen times in a row. immoderate Apr 2013 #326

With California and a few other states joining this week nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #327

Yep, part of my background ... n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #356

When I frogmarch Apr 2013 #328

Those are really neat by the way. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #329

The "subject matter" should be mocked: there is no such thing as little green men. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #330

Someday an actual alien ship will fly close by the Earth. Archae Apr 2013 #340

+1000, this country is getting dumber. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #351

No signs of intelligent life here Mnpaul Apr 2013 #377

I think you need a new hobby. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2013 #342

Good thing thread isn't about UFOs... SidDithers Apr 2013 #346

Heheheh. Iggo Apr 2013 #353

So says ZX86 Apr 2013 #357

I'm still mad about the War on Astrology! valerief Apr 2013 #352

same old, same old-- this is a main thing the media loves to mock and cover-up. NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #354

I asked a pretty good psychic about my memory issues fried eggs Apr 2013 #355

if she was a "pretty good " psychic wouldn' you not have to ask her questions ? olddots Apr 2013 #359

Many in the Main stream mocks such things. Knightraven Apr 2013 #385

On UFO's IDemo Apr 2013 #391

Wild speculation. ZX86 Apr 2013 #394

The presumption being that 'space aliens' as represented even exist IDemo Apr 2013 #406

The science Channel had a series on first contact nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #411

Kaku also projects wildly optimistic future scenarios for us IDemo Apr 2013 #414

Then dismiss the science nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #420

SETI is looking for evidence of intelligent signals, not of Earthly visitation IDemo Apr 2013 #425

Part of the science and the possibilities for contact nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #427

More wild speculation. ZX86 Apr 2013 #412

I've been a causual observer of the UFO "community" for a while phobos Apr 2013 #402

Greer is a snake oil salesman. ZX86 Apr 2013 #404

The fact is there is not one shred of proof phobos Apr 2013 #409

Up until 1992 there was not shred of proof ZX86 Apr 2013 #413

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #415

While that is true nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #421

UFO landed on our farm once. ieoeja Apr 2013 #407

It always amazes me how quickly people are to put down and mock people who believe in UFO's, Drale Apr 2013 #432

That is fine, I don't expect everyone to believe in ETs. Rex Apr 2013 #437