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99. So easy BATF can do it

Reply to fried eggs (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:43 PM

Apr 2013

If it's so easy to find why hasn't BATF taken care of it? A few prosecutions should fix this real quick.

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CNN undercover agent purchases semi auto handguns & rifle without ID or paper work [View all] fried eggs Apr 2013 OP

Justification - Simple - Gun Manufacturers Fund Republican/Democratic Campaigns - Game - Set - Match cantbeserious Apr 2013 #1

Excuse me... 99Forever Apr 2013 #11

If this is illegal, file complaints with the appropriate law-enforcement agencies. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #2

The people who sold the firearms didn't do anything illegal. The buyers did. slackmaster Apr 2013 #8

What law did the buyers break? doc03 Apr 2013 #12

Title 18 of the United States Code, � 922, paragraph (a) slackmaster Apr 2013 #16

If me as an individual sells a gun to someone that says he lives in my state. How would they ever doc03 Apr 2013 #19

You've got it, doc03. slackmaster Apr 2013 #21

Well, I know of one DU member that has called for checkpoints at state lines premium Apr 2013 #27

They would find one handgun on my person and 10 bullets for it when I cross ... spin Apr 2013 #95

Hey I bought this gun from a guy that said he lived 5 miles out road from me in the same state, how doc03 Apr 2013 #22

Like most of the laws we live under, compliance is mostly voluntary. Good people won't violate it. slackmaster Apr 2013 #24

Yep. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #31

What about people who are a complex mixture of good, bad IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #36

If they engage in unlawful coomerce in firearms, they're bad. slackmaster Apr 2013 #37

Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to say. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #43

18 USC 922(a) can be read by anyone and verify that IT DOESN'T SAY what you represent it to say AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #49

Read down to 922(a)3 petronius Apr 2013 #52

Where is the BATF? Hangingon Apr 2013 #58

Sub-paragraph (A) is subordinate to paragraph (1) slackmaster Apr 2013 #86

Yes. But so what? Your assumption that none of the members of CNN crew were from AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #92

The video and writeup are conspucuously free of any kind of disclaimers along those lines slackmaster Apr 2013 #101

So what? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #104

I'm tired of arguing with you slackmaster Apr 2013 #106

Please Explain DallasNE Apr 2013 #54

The CNN crew visited multiple gun shows in different states while compiling the story. slackmaster Apr 2013 #61

That Doesn't Answer The Question DallasNE Apr 2013 #65

Unless the CNN employee making the purchase was a resident of the state ... sl8 Apr 2013 #69

The Discussion Isn't DallasNE Apr 2013 #71

There is no federal law that requires a non-licensee selling a used firearm to ask the buyer for ID. slackmaster Apr 2013 #84

"CNN security" has an exemption from the Gun Control Act of 1968? Recursion Apr 2013 #74

CNN Security Is NOT The Issue DallasNE Apr 2013 #75

If they're not the issue why did you say handing it over to them solved it? Recursion Apr 2013 #76

Because CNN Security Is Not The Issue So It Is A Very Minor Point DallasNE Apr 2013 #77

The sale was only illegal because they weren't residents of the state they bought it in Recursion Apr 2013 #79

I Listened To Anderson Cooper DallasNE Apr 2013 #81

But none of the sellers were dealers as far as I can tell Recursion Apr 2013 #82

They were private citizens selling their personal weapons, premium Apr 2013 #88

That Is Not Established By The CNN Report DallasNE Apr 2013 #97

I agree with most of your points. premium Apr 2013 #98

They damn sure did something immoral, unethical, detrimental to society, etc. Hoyt Apr 2013 #30

You're right premium Apr 2013 #32

Typical gun cultist response -- to outing the immoral behavior of the gun crowd. Hoyt Apr 2013 #34

Gun cultist? premium Apr 2013 #35

That's often part of investigative journalism, though. randome Apr 2013 #40

Didn't say they were, premium Apr 2013 #42

Thanks, but it's still not going to work. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47

I know, premium Apr 2013 #48

You Don't Know That DallasNE Apr 2013 #55

They also illustrated the weakness of these laws. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #70

Actually, your statement is exactly contrary to what was said in the OP: AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #38

Please cite the law that creates the seller's alleged obligations. slackmaster Apr 2013 #53

You can ask the author of the OP. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #56

The OP doesn't say that any laws were violated slackmaster Apr 2013 #63

Nor should it. You are the one who said "8. The people who sold the firearms didn't do anything AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #67

The buyers most certainly did violate the law slackmaster Apr 2013 #83

Unless all the elements of any alleged crime are supported by evidence, there is no factual AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #91

I am not the judiciary. I don't owe anyone a presumption of innocence. slackmaster Apr 2013 #100

Obviously you are not in the judiciary. Obviously you don't owe anyone a presumption of AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #103

My belief that they committed multiple crimes is based on CNN's own content slackmaster Apr 2013 #105

Not My Reading On This Type Of Sale At All DallasNE Apr 2013 #51

No, states can require that sellers at a gun show be licensed dealers. slackmaster Apr 2013 #62

You're Saying That Wikipedia Is Wrong On The Law DallasNE Apr 2013 #66

Wikipedia wrong? Color me shocked. The burden of proof is on YOU to cite a federal law... slackmaster Apr 2013 #85

Why do you say that you must be a licensed dealer to sell at a gun show? sl8 Apr 2013 #68

CNN Implies They Bought From A Dealer DallasNE Apr 2013 #72

I disagree that they implied that they were buying from dealers sl8 Apr 2013 #73

This Was Filmed At Booths Set Up Inside The Gun Show DallasNE Apr 2013 #78

There is no requirement to be 'in the business' to get a booth, no. X_Digger Apr 2013 #93

The thing is it is completely leagal, so what are the laws that aren't doc03 Apr 2013 #9

Are you unaware of what was written in the OP: AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #39

The OP is mistaken. slackmaster Apr 2013 #64

This is what people mean when they say "enforce existing laws" Recursion Apr 2013 #3

Existing laws aren't enough to make sure convicted domestic abusers fried eggs Apr 2013 #6

This is true. But if we aren't enforcing the laws we have now why would we start enforcing new ones? Recursion Apr 2013 #17

Having more tools in your bag won't hurt anything. moondust Apr 2013 #33

Yes. Ongoing sting operations to weed out the lawbreakers. randome Apr 2013 #41

Send it over to the Gungeon for expert analysis. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #4

Looks like they're already on it fried eggs Apr 2013 #13

Hmmm "someone broke a gun law, quick make another so I feel better!" The Straight Story Apr 2013 #5

Even if the sellers had not broken the law, the existing laws fried eggs Apr 2013 #10

Right now, the only national background check system that provides a definitive ruling as to... slackmaster Apr 2013 #26

...and violated federal law when they transported any of the weapons across any state line. slackmaster Apr 2013 #7

Actually, no. See #49. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #50

First thing that came to mind NickB79 Apr 2013 #96

I'd like to see them do an expose on how easy it is to negotiate with prostitutes in major US cities slackmaster Apr 2013 #102

Anyone who broke the law here should be prosecuted, but I suspect the only petronius Apr 2013 #14

Some states, read California and Colorado for example, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #15

CA and CO are not among the states mentioned - if the specific states in question petronius Apr 2013 #20

The point the unit was making is how easy it s to nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #23

Yeah, I got that. Did you fail to understand that my original comment was addressing petronius Apr 2013 #25

The media has no more protection than any other private citizen ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #45

Bullshit, the media has no more privilege than private citizens ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #44

Yep. premium Apr 2013 #90

How many times a day, 365 days a year, is the repeated? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #18

Enforcement assumes documentation and prosecution for non compliance. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #28

Guns Guns Guns AndyA Apr 2013 #29

What CNN Needed To Do DallasNE Apr 2013 #46

That might be interesting Revanchist Apr 2013 #57

Great Additions To The List DallasNE Apr 2013 #59

The people emplyed by CNN have proven that they Jenoch Apr 2013 #60

Hack sensationalistic journalism Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #80

All the gun worshipers here who say there's no gun show loophole are full of shit. baldguy Apr 2013 #87

We understand how private sales work hack89 Apr 2013 #89

So, once again... krispos42 Apr 2013 #94

So easy BATF can do it One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #99