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dreamnightwind

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28. Yes, but WE are killing the people with drones

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:27 AM

Apr 2013

whereas we have no direct responsibility for the Boston attack.

I get the closer to home thing, though I find it unfortunate, we should value and respect all human life equally to whatever extent that is possible.

But there's a much larger issue of complicity. No Government official elected with my vote bombed that marathon. Can't say that about Pakistan, our names are on each of those deaths, and you can find similar deaths we are culpable for in nearly every corner of the globe.

So it would be appropriate to use the close-to-home awareness of the horror of such violence, as a reference point to those same feelings that we are inflicting on countless innocents in places where we don't necessarily have the emotional connection to the victims.

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I knew - KNEW - the guilt trolls would show up before long. [View all] GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 OP

Good rant. I agree. defacto7 Apr 2013 #1

good rant kardonb Apr 2013 #75

... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #82

You totally missed the point. vduhr Apr 2013 #94

What they really mean is that Middle Eastern lives cartach Apr 2013 #109

drones don't usually explode icarusxat Apr 2013 #134

Well said. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #2

I see what you did here. cliffordu Apr 2013 #3

Excellent rant. Someone has to say it. Hekate Apr 2013 #4

A lot of DUers, the majority I believe, have the capacity to Jamastiene Apr 2013 #5

911 led to Iraq, totally unconnected, and on to the present day. delrem Apr 2013 #6

So far all I get out of dad PatrynXX Apr 2013 #7

Mention to him at the height of the time Bush was claiming we were in a fight for our way of life,.. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #20

There were lots of fake trials during the Bush years. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2013 #58

Members of Congress often are former attorneys.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #65

Agreed. Thanks for expressing it so well. Leaves many of us speechless, as intended. freshwest Apr 2013 #8

And they are dumbasses. I can't stand them doing their thing about things in one's personal life, raccoon Apr 2013 #45

In the background of it is the assumption that the people in Boston 'deserved' this. Without any freshwest Apr 2013 #66

What gets me are the ones you meet in total TERROR,... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #9

+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #62

+1 valerief Apr 2013 #73

Nice rant. Nonsense, but a nice rant none the less Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #10

Good? DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #18

Reread the sentence you are criticizing. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #38

Wallowing in self righteousness leftynyc Apr 2013 #36

Get off your high horse. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #39

He's not saying the horrifying event is good whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #49

That's untrue Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #46

+1! (nt) reACTIONary Apr 2013 #130

"then good"???? Leveraging TERROR to gain support for some OPINION is called.... yodermon Apr 2013 #53

thank you DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #100

thank you, yodermon. "fucking rhetoric" indeed. n/m Cha Apr 2013 #126

I am an American. So I AM personally affected by this. hamsterjill Apr 2013 #80

Good answer daybranch Apr 2013 #132

Thank you. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #133

I think they're telling you to be consistent, not that LittleBlue Apr 2013 #11

I agree with you. good post. nt boilerbabe Apr 2013 #13

Boston is a little closer to home than Pakistan... cynatnite Apr 2013 #15

But there is sense in challenging them LittleBlue Apr 2013 #17

It's the presumption that because someone expresses horror at something awful... cynatnite Apr 2013 #24

I don't LittleBlue Apr 2013 #26

You have no idea of what I have or haven't seen of America... cynatnite Apr 2013 #32

For the next couple days I am worried about the people ten miles from me Marrah_G Apr 2013 #57

+1 Thank you. ChaoticTrilby Apr 2013 #139

How the heck do you know Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #47

Exactly. vduhr Apr 2013 #98

It's not racist that people are upset about Boston. This hits closer to home pnwmom Apr 2013 #19

And that would be fine if those Pakistani kids weren't killed by our drones LittleBlue Apr 2013 #27

Very well said! nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #41

We are at least in theory defending ourselves from terrorism treestar Apr 2013 #43

And Pakistani Pashtuns are in theory fighting for their freedom Ash_F Apr 2013 #116

Why does that mean we can do nothing to defend ourselves from terrorism? treestar Apr 2013 #119

Ignorance is bliss right? Ash_F Apr 2013 #120

If you are going to bring up drones in Pakistan why not mention Sunni suicide snagglepuss Apr 2013 #81

Doesn't matter how many are killed? cartach Apr 2013 #101

Excuse me but where I have justified the use of drones? snagglepuss Apr 2013 #103

Yes, but WE are killing the people with drones dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #28

Speak for yourself. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #67

+1 riqster Apr 2013 #69

Sorry, that's how it works dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #78

So they get to lump us all together and kill random people Progressive dog Apr 2013 #87

Sounds like a mischaracterization to me dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #95

If you repeat what you said, I didn't mischaracterize it Progressive dog Apr 2013 #97

??? that makes no sense dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #112

You said "If we're not accountable for the actions of our elected reps, who is?" Progressive dog Apr 2013 #115

WTF? dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #117

You said "I made no such defense." so must be someone else using your name nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #118

I thing you are ignoring a big difference between what happened in Boston and Pakistan. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #33

+10000000 Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #122

I think they should look in the mirror, if that's the case. joshcryer Apr 2013 #23

It has nothing to do pipi_k Apr 2013 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author npk Apr 2013 #84

Being "consistent" doesn't require also mentioning every similar incident. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #105

Beautifully stated! Wind Dancer Apr 2013 #12

It's invalidation BainsBane Apr 2013 #14

If a woman walks into a room full of women and says, "I just had a car accident"... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #22

Perhaps BainsBane Apr 2013 #25

Let's not talk about Babs Bush.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #29

This. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #61

Kick and Rec! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #16

The OP is perhaps attacking a strawman? Ash_F Apr 2013 #21

Maybe not "dastardly motivations"... AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #37

"Cancels out" <-- That's what I mean Ash_F Apr 2013 #92

Others may not understand you, Ash. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #123

Its the Queen for a Day Mentality LarryNM Apr 2013 #30

Agree and THANKS for posting this. nt Raine Apr 2013 #31

Excellent, K&R, thank you etherealtruth Apr 2013 #34

Excellent rant leftynyc Apr 2013 #35

If I or others expressed sadness or anger over OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #40

Right on! ananda Apr 2013 #42

Damn well said... SidDithers Apr 2013 #44

See above, they did so. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #52

... and see below. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #63

Thank you. I hate those kind of posts. distantearlywarning Apr 2013 #48

One big strawman cpwm17 Apr 2013 #50

Yep. Iggo Apr 2013 #64

Your response is a straw man. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #68

How does it minimize grief in any way cpwm17 Apr 2013 #86

Your assumption that those that bring up Pakistan drones LiberalLovinLug Apr 2013 #91

+1,000,000 cpwm17 Apr 2013 #96

Thank you for saying an inconvenient truth. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #125

+1000 CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #93

Well said. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #124

Well they look different and speak funny. zeemike Apr 2013 #128

Couldn't disagree more. No one gives a shit about Afganistan, but for a few weeks people Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #51

"No one gives a shit about Afganistan" Occulus Apr 2013 #85

I've talked to people who think it's already over. Perhaps you live in a liberal bubble Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #102

This is my City Marrah_G Apr 2013 #54

Dislike. Myrina Apr 2013 #55

Agreed. Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #56

And yet after 9/11 many liberals were quick to bring up the impact of policies The Straight Story Apr 2013 #59

mentioning the other isn't meant to cancel out our pain, just use it as a chance to teach empathy yurbud Apr 2013 #60

Well one thing about this post. aandegoons Apr 2013 #70

Straw man. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #72

Yet not one of those post you hate said any of that. aandegoons Apr 2013 #76

Excellent point just1voice Apr 2013 #113

No one mentioned that guilt trolls are implying that what happened in Boston hedgehog Apr 2013 #71

Agreed. egduj Apr 2013 #74

i think you should have more repeated words in bold print. one just wasnt enuff leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #77

Completely disagree. 'Distance tends to sanitize and desensitize' Hissyspit Apr 2013 #79

Completely agree with the fuckers that use the Boston tragedy Sheepshank Apr 2013 #88

What a complete load of garbage! CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #89

+1 just1voice Apr 2013 #111

K&R ReRe Apr 2013 #90

WhatI hate are the "we deserve it" posts "because our drones do it every day to other people." Bake Apr 2013 #99

How about "what goes around comes around" or cartach Apr 2013 #104

I'm not real keen on those either. Bake Apr 2013 #110

Who says "we deserve it"? delrem Apr 2013 #137

A lot of people in the world hate America-- marions ghost Apr 2013 #106

I grasp your point but disagree... jimlup Apr 2013 #107

moral yardsticks undergroundpanther Apr 2013 #108

Troll Thread Irony Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #114

False equivalencies can be such a beautiful argument and they work well, Coyotl Apr 2013 #121

+ 1000000...some of us have empathy enough for every heartbreak. n/t ms liberty Apr 2013 #127

Nevermind Betsy Ross Apr 2013 #129

I certainly do not feel any guilt over the killing of innocent children in Pakistan. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #131

Bravo. n/t ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2013 #135

The real irony Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #136

It's because a lot of conversations are people just expressing their associative thoughts gtar100 Apr 2013 #138