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FBaggins

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37. There is no such thing
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:59 PM
Apr 2013

That is.. there is no "recommended amount above natural background" because "natural background" isn't a set level (and most background dose isn't 'natural' in that sense). The guidance is almost always to limit exposure to the amount practicable.

As I've pointed out to you more than once, the normal background levels vary substantially from one area to the next (even from one home to the one next door)... and these variations easily exceed any exposure in the US from Fukushima.

I know where you're coming from. You've heard the BS about "no safe level" and assume that this means that any exposure, no matter how small, should result in action to avoid it... but that simply isn't the case.

Let me point out some examples that illustrate the fundamental error in your thinking:

Take the Pacific bluefin tuna reported on last month. A bit more than half of the fish tested came back with measurable amounts of radiocesium from Fukushima. And, as can be expected, some of the knee-jerk crowd here talked about avoiding tuna because of it. But the contamination in question ranged from zero to 1.3 Bq/kg in those tuna... while the "noatural background" (Potassium 40) in those same fish varied from about 250-700 Bq/kg. So if you had the ability to identify the Cs134 in those fish (no consumer-grade device could do so... but we'll just pretend), and you selected fish without any Fukushima radiation, you could easily add hundreds of times as much radiation to what you put in your mouth.

Or take cesium fallout is rain (in the US) in the weeks immediately following the accident. Obviously almost all of this contamination would end up outdoors on the ground... with some concentrating in drainage areas. Let's say that you could detect it with your home equipment (you couldn't) and elected to stay indoors in response. Most homes have higher radon levels indoors than what you see outside... and that different is MUCH larger than the highest level of FukuCesium found here. So again, by choosing to follow the logic of "less un-natural radiation"... you expose yourself to more radiation.

Other relevant data points include decisions that people make every day. Where in the country do you choose to live? How do you travel (air or ground)? Do you want granite countertops in that home you're thinking of buying? How about all-brick... or a brick facade... or just siding? Cast iron pots and pans or copper? Home on a slab or a crawl space over bare earth? Open your windows in the Spring/Fall or use the AC?

These decisions have more impact on your annual radiation dose than anything from Fukushima... so why are you so worried about one of them and none of the rest?

If you actually "get it" this time... I'll eat crow.

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K&R!!!!! burrowowl Apr 2013 #1
Gee, it'd be nice if it wasn't up to independent researchers to pay attention to this stuff. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #2
You must not have been paying attention FBaggins Apr 2013 #5
Really? So where's the data on radioactive isotopes in, say, Pacific fish caught for sale in the US? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #12
It's too low to measure in almost all cases. FBaggins Apr 2013 #13
Exactly. The EPA isn't measuring it. The FDA isn't measuring it. My point exactly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #15
Sorry... wrong. FBaggins Apr 2013 #17
Dance, dance, dance. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #19
Thanks for making my point. FBaggins Apr 2013 #20
If you've actually read what I've written, I'm not "predisposed to think" anything. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #22
you were corrected in a few simple errors FBaggins Apr 2013 #23
Right. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #24
Why did you bring Sr90 into the discussion?... SidDithers Apr 2013 #29
you're absolutely right, Sid; I meant Strontium, not Cesium. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #36
That's a big "IF" FBaggins Apr 2013 #39
Is wasn't a "goofy platitude" FBaggins Apr 2013 #38
what's the recommended level of excess radiation exposure above natural background? CreekDog Apr 2013 #25
There is no such thing FBaggins Apr 2013 #37
Apples and Oranges versus Bananas and Tuna Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #42
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #45
Don't blame me if your ambiguous and confusing rhetoric ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #47
Lol! FBaggins Apr 2013 #48
Huh? hunter Apr 2013 #46
Try this for a "huh" - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #49
You do understand that a much worse scenario is within our borders? mick063 Apr 2013 #3
Much worse? FBaggins Apr 2013 #4
You really don't know do you? mick063 Apr 2013 #10
Please consider posting this as an OP as it so succinct. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #11
In fact I do. FBaggins Apr 2013 #16
I have to disagree mick063 Apr 2013 #21
The methods of disinformation are many Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #40
Oustanding post! Octafish Apr 2013 #43
Aw... and you saved your first post for little 'ol me? FBaggins Apr 2013 #44
I agree with him. Occulus Apr 2013 #87
He's not a newbie FBaggins Apr 2013 #88
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #14
Yep. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #26
All this from one nuclear installation gone bad Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #6
This is one reason (albeit an extremely potent one) why..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #33
Why do you hate nuclear power? malaise Apr 2013 #7
You mean aside from it being the most..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #30
You did see my sarcasm thingy? n/t malaise Apr 2013 #31
Yeah I did. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #34
Honest question: Is Obama still intent on the taxpayer supported Nuke in Georgia? byeya Apr 2013 #8
Why of course! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #28
kick flamingdem Apr 2013 #9
Well, me and the birds are fine for today, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #18
Hmmm.... Nanas! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #27
Check out this old Mork and Mindy you tube clip! Zorra Apr 2013 #32
From ancient times.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #35
Fukushima is still out of control. Octafish Apr 2013 #41
De nada. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #50
And, don't forget ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #51
"This video has been removed by the user." hunter Apr 2013 #52
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #53
Uploaded again, don't know how long it will last - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #54
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” ~George Orwell nt DeSwiss Apr 2013 #55
NOAA Sea Surface Temperatures reveals a surprising thing... Octafish Apr 2013 #56
Let me guess... FBaggins Apr 2013 #57
Is your mission in life to knock me for wondering about the stupidity of atomic power? Octafish Apr 2013 #58
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #59
Keep the smears. It's the NOAA satellite data. Octafish Apr 2013 #60
There's nothing wrong with the data. FBaggins Apr 2013 #61
Who's the real 'internet nut,' FBaggins? Octafish Apr 2013 #62
You're not saying that you're responsible for the interpretation of the video, are you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #63
What a load of crap. Octafish Apr 2013 #64
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. FBaggins Apr 2013 #65
Write what you want. Just don't smear me. Octafish Apr 2013 #68
I didn't. FBaggins Apr 2013 #69
Really? Look at the map and see for yourself where the sea surface temperatures are highest. Octafish Apr 2013 #72
Right! What else could it POSSIBLY be??? FBaggins Apr 2013 #73
The NOAA map I posted was from the last month. Yours is from 1997. Octafish Apr 2013 #74
Did that actually make sense to you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #75
2002? Big deal. It's still not what you wrote. Octafish Apr 2013 #77
It's exactly what I wrote. FBaggins Apr 2013 #80
It's still there. Which reminds me why I don't trust the nuclear industry's perspective... Octafish Apr 2013 #81
Except that it isn't "there" FBaggins Apr 2013 #82
Except. It is. Octafish Apr 2013 #83
Repeating a clear falsehood doesn't make it any less dishonest. FBaggins Apr 2013 #84
All is well, right? Octafish Apr 2013 #85
All is most certainly not "well" FBaggins Apr 2013 #86
Let us compare, FBaggins. I say it's not normal. You say it is. Octafish Apr 2013 #79
FBaggins is up to his old tricks, eh? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #89
Is it time to quit eating from the Pacific Ocean? Coyotl Apr 2013 #66
My sense is to quit eating the salmon that swims long distances and tuna flamingdem Apr 2013 #67
This is also addressed to Flamingdem and any others Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #70
We seem to be caught between a wild-caught radioactive rock..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #76
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #78
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