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metalbot

(1,058 posts)
15. A total fabrication
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:23 PM
Feb 2012

What you are doing is simply appealing to your own authority here, rather than producing any actual Catholic doctrine. Now, I don't have your credentials, but I'm more than happy to "match my knowledge of theology against yours" on this particular topic.

Your assert:

"In their course on Catholic Marriage they taught that every act of love must accompany an intention to conceive even if you use the approved Catholic method birth control."

Maybe you had a bad teacher? You are effectively arguing that post-menopausal Catholics cannot have sex. The Church teaches that every act of love must be made in a way that could cause conception if the woman was fertile. There is absolutely no need for "intention to conceive". By definition, choosing to have sex only at times when the woman is not ovulating is the exact opposite of having the "intention to conceive".

Since you claim to have "...so many courses in theology, religion and philosophy that I had enough hours to have a Masters of theology", surely you can point to some other authoritative source besides yourself to support your view. I'm sure you can find "a Catholic" to support your view, but I'd like to see something authoritative.

I'll start my arguments with a statement by the Pope, in addition to the Catechism which still refutes your original assertion:

"Unfortunately, Catholic thought is often misunderstood ... as if the Church supported an ideology of fertility at all costs, urging married couples to procreate indiscriminately and without thought for the future. But one need only study the pronouncements of the Magisterium to know that this is not so. Truly, in begetting life the spouses fulfill one of the highest dimensions of their calling: they are God's co-workers. Precisely for this reason they must have an extremely responsible attitude. In deciding whether or not to have a child, they must not be motivated by selfishness or carelessness, but by a prudent, conscious generosity that weighs the possibilities and circumstances, and especially gives priority to the welfare of the unborn child. Therefore, when there is a reason not to procreate, this choice is permissible and may even be necessary. However, there remains the duty of carrying it out with criteria and methods that respect the total truth of the marital act in its unitive and procreative dimension, as wisely regulated by nature itself in its biological rhythms. One can comply with them and use them to advantage, but they cannot be "violated" by artificial interference." - Pope John Paul II


I'm not arguing that the Catholic Church doesn't have some funky logic behind its position on a number of different issues. I'm calling specifically into question a specific assertion that you made which is not true.


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Forced Pregnancy [View all] TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 OP
Wrote a song about it, and it goes like this. WingDinger Feb 2012 #1
..don't leave men out of it.. any male who has a mother/sister/wife/daughter, etc.. left coaster Feb 2012 #2
Well said and exactly correct IMO. They want to turn this into RKP5637 Feb 2012 #3
Stripping Womens' Rights TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #4
Question, do they want brown women and men procreating as often? WingDinger Feb 2012 #5
The US will be but a flicker in the passage of time in the big picture. There RKP5637 Feb 2012 #7
The Catholic Church most assuredly does not argue that you cannot make love unless you are fertile metalbot Feb 2012 #8
You surely know the old joke: what do they call people who practice Natural Family Planning? CTyankee Feb 2012 #9
Certainly if you do it wrong it is metalbot Feb 2012 #11
Not A Fabrication TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #12
A total fabrication metalbot Feb 2012 #15
Still Disagree TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #17
How do you "do it wrong"? CTyankee Feb 2012 #13
It's all about control ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2012 #6
They have nightmares about killing postulater Feb 2012 #10
"They are ALL about ending the availability of birth control and family planning." ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #14
Yes TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #18
I was raised to be against abortion, but to always use birth control, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #19
Forced birth... ljm2002 Feb 2012 #16
Watch "Freakanomics" DiverDave Feb 2012 #20
I wonder how they would react if women avebury Feb 2012 #21
Evangelical Forced Birthers. OregonBlue Feb 2012 #22
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