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2. Some people never seem to learn.

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Another "raw milk" incident... [View all] Archae Feb 2012 OP

Sounds like the taste of freedom to me MrScorpio Feb 2012 #1

LOL zinnisking Feb 2012 #21

Some people never seem to learn. RC Feb 2012 #2

But, but I should be free....to ignore all scientific evidence! nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #3

and how many people get ill or die from big farm food? Properly handled raw milk Hestia Feb 2012 #4

Prove it Warpy Feb 2012 #5

EXACTLY! If you've ever been in a dariy barn HillWilliam Feb 2012 #9

Uh, milking machines? moriah Feb 2012 #95

It is impossible to sterilize a cow's udder and milking machines aren't sterilized either. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #135

It's ridiculously simple to prove Major Nikon Feb 2012 #10

Louis Pasteur was a pathetic imposter. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #16

Louis Pasteur developed the process for wine and beer Major Nikon Feb 2012 #40

The vaccination process was created for smallpox. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #41

Staying on topic is too difficult for some I guess Major Nikon Feb 2012 #45

I thought you changed it to original use of processes. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #47

The CDC disagrees with the notion of "competitive exclusion" and raw milk yellowcanine Feb 2012 #137

I grew up on my best friend's dairy blueamy66 Feb 2012 #23

I don't agree with you often Aerows Feb 2012 #30

thanks blueamy66 Feb 2012 #60

they say smoking is bad for you Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #33

so, you are comparing smoking cigarettes with blueamy66 Feb 2012 #61

I'm just showing the usefulness of anecdotes. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #63

oh please blueamy66 Feb 2012 #91

Yes, you are wrong. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #108

Is the fact that the CDC says that ZERO people have died in the last ten years from raw milk proof? renie408 Feb 2012 #80

That only proves we have antibiotics. Warpy Feb 2012 #123

Didn't seem to help the 3 people who died in 2007 from drinking pasteurized milk Major Nikon Feb 2012 #129

LOL! flvegan Feb 2012 #11

I live in the sticks Aerows Feb 2012 #31

Louis Pasteur was in the pocket of Big Farm from day one. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #18

Oh my, that foreign country France considers pasteurized cheeses almost a sacrilege. tabatha Feb 2012 #6

Grass-fed, antibiotic/hormone/grain/soy free cows are a wonderful thing. drokhole Feb 2012 #7

Oh my, that foreign country France also believes in government inspections jmowreader Feb 2012 #15

Louis Pasteur was a pathetic imposter. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #17

Cheese is safer than the raw milk it's made from mainer Feb 2012 #34

Cheese would be safer than milk Nikia Feb 2012 #77

Wow, it didn't take the pro-disease lobby long to show up. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #8

Another "pasteurized milk" incident Major Nikon Feb 2012 #12

you do realize that pasteurization would have Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #19

How can pasteurization prevent pathogen growth after pasteurization? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #37

Well if you have a contaminated valve that is located after the paseurization Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #39

Exactly Major Nikon Feb 2012 #42

But pasteurization after this contamination would have fixed this problem. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #46

So are you saying the milk should be pasteurized twice? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #51

It's very much like improperly prepared vaccines where the virus is left alive. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #52

You do realize that pasteurization is not the same as sterilization, yes? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #56

Quite aware. You do realize that vaccines aren't sterilized either, right? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #57

It is unlikely that there would be post pasteurization contamination Nikia Feb 2012 #74

Unlikely, yes. Does it happen, yes. Major Nikon Feb 2012 #93

Pasteurized milk is still a medium for bacterial growth so it has to be packaged and handled yellowcanine Feb 2012 #138

Your CDC link doesn't refute what I said Major Nikon Feb 2012 #142

Actually it does. And as for "it should be available to those who want it" ok but not for children yellowcanine Feb 2012 #146

Please Major Nikon Feb 2012 #147

Raw milk makes few people sick because not that many people drink raw milk. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #149

Exactly! Major Nikon Feb 2012 #152

So how many sick or dead children is ok to risk just so a few can have raw milk? yellowcanine Feb 2012 #153

Yes it's always about the kids, isn't it? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #157

Yes it is about the kids because adults are making choices for them which put them at risk. A civil yellowcanine Feb 2012 #160

I don't think you understand what an emotion based argument is Major Nikon Feb 2012 #161

I would point out that you brought up "Its about the kids". So what were you trying to evoke? yellowcanine Feb 2012 #162

Also for restaurants MattBaggins Feb 2012 #155

Tell me more about how sheep's bladders can be employed to prevent earthquakes. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #136

Mobilize the SWAT teams. pa28 Feb 2012 #13

Cow milk (especially raw) is good for calves. That's about it. nt Liquorice Feb 2012 #14

did you grow up on a dairy too? blueamy66 Feb 2012 #24

I did and I drank raw milk also. But I wouldn't dream of buying raw milk and giving it to my child yellowcanine Feb 2012 #151

I agree. blueamy66 Feb 2012 #159

Why am I still unconvinced raw milk is bad for me? zonkers Feb 2012 #20

Because it isn't. terip64 Feb 2012 #26

As for raw milk cheeses MattBaggins Feb 2012 #156

Brucellosis is generally the one you think about with raw milk and cheese... moriah Feb 2012 #22

I have been drinking raw milk for almost ten years... terip64 Feb 2012 #25

Me too Aerows Feb 2012 #28

raw milk cheddar cheese is safe to eat mainer Feb 2012 #105

Stilton is bad then? Aerows Feb 2012 #120

You might want to let it mature a little; same with Wensleydale. FarCenter Feb 2012 #121

LMAO, I guess like this conversation, too Aerows Feb 2012 #128

I grew up drinking raw milk, as did most of our neighbors. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #32

we never had any vaccinations growing up Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #35

I smoked for over 30 years and am one of the healthiest people I know. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #79

You can't get raw milk in stores in most states. I don't think that equating smoking with drinking terip64 Feb 2012 #97

To each his own. "The health benefits are great," until it kills you? Some say it might. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #131

Hot dogs are one of the deadliest foods Major Nikon Feb 2012 #132

Too true, too true. Everything in moderation, I guess. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #134

The validity of the comparison is that in each case one is taking an unnecessary risk. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #141

The benefits of drinking raw milk are far from few. terip64 Feb 2012 #144

Well for whatever reason people do get sick. It is easy to say, well that farm did not use the yellowcanine Feb 2012 #145

Exactly -- and, if it was legal there would be uniform standards obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #139

I love milk Aerows Feb 2012 #27

it's like the idiotic seatbelt and helmet laws. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #36

Your responses in this thread have nailed it... SidDithers Feb 2012 #50

Thanks. This is one of those topics I'm passionate about. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #53

Where does the passion come from? I am curious because I truly love my raw milk terip64 Feb 2012 #100

You need to supplement the milk with colloidal silver though. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #107

Food is a sensitive subject Aerows Feb 2012 #83

I could not agree more. People don't understand the health benefits that we experience. terip64 Feb 2012 #99

I loved the raw milk I grew up drinking in Missoula, Montana - tasted great - but if that Campylobac LiberalLoner Feb 2012 #29

I used to work in a dairy. MineralMan Feb 2012 #38

I wouldn't risk raw ungulate milk mrs_p Feb 2012 #43

*** cringes *** I was infected with Campylobacter. It was not pretty at all! LynneSin Feb 2012 #44

I got food poisoning from sushi at a mongolian restaurant Aerows Feb 2012 #84

That's what happens when "raw milk" is driven underground. mwooldri Feb 2012 #48

Only 7% of French cheeses are now raw milk. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #49

That's because import rules require it Major Nikon Feb 2012 #54

Nope. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #55

If you're going to try and contradict someone, it might be a good idea to actually do so Major Nikon Feb 2012 #58

I thought you had the ability to click on the hyperlink. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #59

Your link in no way supported your contradiction Major Nikon Feb 2012 #62

Let's go to the link. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #64

When raw milk is against the law, only outlaws will have raw milk. /nt downwardly_mobile Feb 2012 #110

Federal issue MattBaggins Feb 2012 #158

Pick your poisons, choose your battles. morningfog Feb 2012 #65

I like feeling the wind through my hair as I ride my motorcyle. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #67

Who am I to judge? Knock yourself out. morningfog Feb 2012 #69

It's preferable to rely on the expertise and diligence of a smaller number of bottling plants FarCenter Feb 2012 #66

Death rate per year- Raw milk:0, Alcohol: 75,000 renie408 Feb 2012 #68

Do you attribute that to the safety of raw milk or the prevalence of pasteurized milk? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #70

Speaking for myself, I am not here to disparage pasteurization. I am here to defend morningfog Feb 2012 #71

Personal choice, OK. But milk is consumed by children and infants who have no choice. mainer Feb 2012 #86

Again, a slippery slope. renie408 Feb 2012 #87

Should we ban cantaloupe also? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #94

How quickly we forget our medical history mainer Feb 2012 #96

Indeed, you should understand medical history if you really want to understand the problem Major Nikon Feb 2012 #127

Gee, I wonder how many refrigerators people had available in 1938? renie408 Feb 2012 #72

So when scientists credit pasteurization with preventing milkbourne disease Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #73

No, I am sure pasteurization helps to prevent milk borne pathogens. renie408 Feb 2012 #75

So the people in the 30's and 40's didn't know their dairies or Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #76

I have decided that we need to ban motorcycles. People don't NEED to ride motorcycles and they are renie408 Feb 2012 #78

how do motorcyle deaths compare to milkbourne illness before pasteurizaton? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #81

Ok, let me try this ONE MORE TIME and without assuming that you could infer my meaning. renie408 Feb 2012 #85

"Raw milk produces a minimal amount of illness and no deaths reported in the past decade." Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #88

Ok, so you are going with the 'ignore my point' option... renie408 Feb 2012 #89

Which point was that? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #90

The one in post #85 that I outlined in detail. You just keep skipping over it. renie408 Feb 2012 #92

Not sure you made a point there, but I'll take a stab at what I think you mean Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #101

Then why didn't you get vaccinated growing up?? renie408 Feb 2012 #103

I've never received a vaccination. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #104

Oh, and my point about refrigeration renie408 Feb 2012 #82

Check this out... terip64 Feb 2012 #102

It's just like how they sold vaccinations to an unsuspecting public. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #106

Yes, there was also the demonization of coconut oil tabatha Feb 2012 #109

Let's step back and look at the numbers... mainer Feb 2012 #98

Yes, lets look at the numbers. tabatha Feb 2012 #112

Wait, you're disputing it because the deaths are from "raw milk cheese" and not "raw milk"? mainer Feb 2012 #114

Have you read the other posts on this thread. tabatha Feb 2012 #115

No, the statement is that SOME raw milk cheeses are OK mainer Feb 2012 #116

So ya think that during aging that things can go awry? tabatha Feb 2012 #117

the point is, the closer to raw milk the product is mainer Feb 2012 #119

But the source did not cause the death. tabatha Feb 2012 #122

To the raw milk supporters in this thread: I DON'T DRINK WITH YOU! downwardly_mobile Feb 2012 #111

Geez, I am a white person that likes listening to authentic African music tabatha Feb 2012 #113

I don't think you actually know what a mudroom is obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #140

One of only TWO raw milk dairies in California mainer Feb 2012 #118

Hey, they have corrected their story. tabatha Feb 2012 #124

20 billion gallons pasteurized milk produced a year mainer Feb 2012 #126

Not being able to detect e coli in samples is not at all unusual. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #150

Despite opposition, N.J. Assembly committee OKs DiMaio bill allowing sale of raw milk FarCenter Feb 2012 #125

All in all, bvar22 Feb 2012 #130

yup zappaman Feb 2012 #133

Bee to the U to the double L SHIT! I am the OP Feb 2012 #143

What would happen if you filtered raw milk KamaAina Feb 2012 #148

I grew up on a dairy Horse with no Name Feb 2012 #154