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elleng

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12. Such a good idea,

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 05:46 PM

Apr 2013

considering the success we have with legislation discouraging gun and ammunition supplies.

Article V olf the Constitution says:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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Like prohibition it's time to amend the second amendment. [View all] CK_John Apr 2013 OP

There is very little support for that. pintobean Apr 2013 #1

are you lying or don't you understand the chart you just posted? CreekDog Apr 2013 #54

I understand just fine pintobean Apr 2013 #58

Given the well-documented track record, I'd say Curtain #1 is where the answer lies. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #73

... pintobean Apr 2013 #106

amend the 2nd amendment? we can't pass the most minor of gun control legislation.congress i DrDan Apr 2013 #2

But SCOTUS the good ones, are not. Reinterpet the 2nd with a new SCOTUS in 5 to 10 years graham4anything Apr 2013 #21

I guess reading legal decisions is not your strong point. former9thward Apr 2013 #62

Sonia and Elena were NOT on the court then. graham4anything Apr 2013 #64

Try again. former9thward Apr 2013 #80

Justice Sotomayer will be a good vote. She is the best justice since Thurgood Marshall died. graham4anything Apr 2013 #83

She signed on to the individual right also. former9thward Apr 2013 #86

One doesn't reveal their hand til the time a win is known. See Gay marriage. graham4anything Apr 2013 #87

Heller needs a review. Supreme Court can order a review of any existing laws. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #65

How is Heller wrong? Atlatl Apr 2013 #66

Figure it out, gun lover Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #71

That argument failed to persuade a single justice last time it was tried. dairydog91 Apr 2013 #79

Hmmm, pipoman Apr 2013 #89

That's simply flat-out wrong. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #95

No amendment 'gives' anyone anything, that's true. X_Digger Apr 2013 #101

SCOTUS can "order a review"? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #68

Congressional review, sorry... Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #72

What does that accomplish? dairydog91 Apr 2013 #76

No, a president can't order a review. former9thward Apr 2013 #75

That is why it is time to move the process to the states. Start the process. CK_John Apr 2013 #69

Amen.. pipoman Apr 2013 #96

Some of us "gun lovers" have advocated this for some time! Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #147

They did listen to the population Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #3

80-90% want background checks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #7

No it is not a minority Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #13

Yup, it's a minority nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #17

Flank? Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #23

You vote for gun control nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #26

Oh, thanks Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #37

No, the problem is that the NRA s fighting any and all nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #38

Reciprocity and the BG amendment were separate, and were voted on separately. X_Digger Apr 2013 #42

Thank you very much! n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #49

They listened to the 10% of gun worshippers who oppose any restriction geek tragedy Apr 2013 #8

Please flame me if need be Lawlbringer Apr 2013 #4

Bill of Rights can be completely repealed by amendment, nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #6

The Bill of rights, like any other part of the Constitution, can be amended Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #10

The 18th admendment was modified by the 19th admendmend to allow booze. CK_John Apr 2013 #11

Entire Constitution can be amended as per Constitution Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #18

Actually a majority of the Senate listened to the people. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #5

Maybe if we let the south secede that could happen. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #9

Maybe if we let Urban Centers secede the number of murders would decrease? nt CokeMachine Apr 2013 #27

So would the nation's average IQ and education level. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #36

Because there are no high IQ or well-educated people anywhere but Urban Centers. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #48

There are some. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #50

Probably not a very large change. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #52

And much of the West, big chunks of the Midwest, a lot of upper New England... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #60

Yeah, most of those Senators voted for the awful Cornyn amendment, which geek tragedy Apr 2013 #61

How many murders took place last year by people with CC permits? former9thward Apr 2013 #70

Trayvon Martin was murdered by a cc holder. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #78

Even your own link does not say "hundreds", unless you call 175 "hunreds". former9thward Apr 2013 #84

You're right--allowing George Zimmerman to walk into any black neighborhood in the country geek tragedy Apr 2013 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #103

Zimmerman should be in jail! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #105

You're 0-for-2. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #92

Such a good idea, elleng Apr 2013 #12

The key words in that is Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #74

Right, thanks Lady. elleng Apr 2013 #77

A new SCOTUS in the next five years can reinterpet the 2nd like it has been in past. graham4anything Apr 2013 #14

Don't begin any proposal with "like prohibition" LittleBlue Apr 2013 #15

The most addictive political approach in the U.S. is "prohibition." Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #153

*snort* Good luck with that. X_Digger Apr 2013 #16

That's why the 2nd should be amend to allow only reasonable restrictions andstrong background check CK_John Apr 2013 #46

Note the language that poster uses about "unenumerated" rights, and references to the 9th amendment: apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #51

Hint...abortion is also an "unenumerated right". dairydog91 Apr 2013 #63

Hint...baloney. Choice and contraception have ZERO to do with fondling machine guns, or strutting apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #67

No dear, I'm disabusing a poster of the notion that repealing an amendment removes a right. X_Digger Apr 2013 #99

Oh yes you are - and we have in this latest reply more fun with right-wing memes: apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #104

LOL, if you say so. X_Digger Apr 2013 #107

Yeah, I say so - but more importantly, the *FACTS* make it so. But keep having fun spreading RW apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #111

Interesting, you didn't actually address anything I said.. X_Digger Apr 2013 #113

Asked & answered. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #116

Link? Or will you just start regurgitating nonsense in every reply now? n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #117

Asked & answered. Use Bing if you are unable/unwilling to maneuver yourself through Google. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #119

As expected. Dodge. n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #120

As expected: feigning inability to operate a browser + search engine. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #122

Keanu's got nothing on you. That's a matrix-worthy dodge. n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #125

Keep having fun spreading NRA talking points & memes, BTW. That stuff has a way of catching up. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #124

Ahh, the other tactic.. reply to the same post multiple times.. X_Digger Apr 2013 #126

"...claim victory." <---That's some funny stuff, there. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #129

And the inevitable ad hominem. There's the hattrick. n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #131

Thanks for the (predictable) laughs: keep having fun spreading those NRA talking points & memes. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #132

And the bonus smiley-cavalcade! I forget, is that double bonus points or triple? n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #134

And are you going to come back to this days later and repeat something to get the last word? LOL! nt X_Digger Apr 2013 #138

"And are you going to come back to this days later and repeat something to get the last word?" apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #139

Oh, I just know your playbook, making sure I check off all the tic marks. n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #140

Sure you are. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #141

^^^Check this out folks^^^ More fun, funny stuff. "Ma! I need reinforcements on chip bowl 3... apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #142

Ooh, a combo move.. smiley cavalcade + multiple replies to the same post, plus ^^^^. X_Digger Apr 2013 #143

The reinforcements must have arrived - the eternal Cheeto bowl is reloaded. Keyboard engaged! apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #144

*yawn* X_Digger Apr 2013 #145

Now a frustrated "*yawn*," followed by more basement grenadier maneuvers. Textbook. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #146

Apparently not. Ah well. I had hope, you dashed it. X_Digger Apr 2013 #148

More fun with basement gunnies. Still not fooling anybody, but plenty-a-laughs all the same. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #149

"And are you going to come back to this days later and repeat something to get the last word?" apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #151

If this has been debunked pipoman Apr 2013 #108

It has been "debunked." Repeatedly. Google is your friend - try it. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #110

It hasn't been debunked then? pipoman Apr 2013 #114

It has been "debunked." Repeatedly. Google is your friend - try it. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #115

That's what I (and virtually everyone with an open mind reading this) thought...n/t pipoman Apr 2013 #121

Sure. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #123

Too late for that SoCalDem Apr 2013 #19

Only 38 states needed to petition to amend. Start the process in the states that just passed new gun CK_John Apr 2013 #28

Yes, and only 13 states are needed to kill an amendment petition. slackmaster Apr 2013 #32

13 states block it kudzu22 Apr 2013 #57

Nor would pipoman Apr 2013 #112

I don't think you would get a single State. nt WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #150

I thought Prohibition failed? TimberValley Apr 2013 #20

That's my point the 18th started it and the 19th repealed it. Start the processp CK_John Apr 2013 #31

The 19th Amendment sarisataka Apr 2013 #53

Wrong. Machine guns are prohibited. moondust Apr 2013 #81

What makes you think people can't own machineguns or bazookas? X_Digger Apr 2013 #100

How did that work out? Fla_Democrat Apr 2013 #22

What's your proposed changes to the 2A? CokeMachine Apr 2013 #24

Just start the process and Congress will get very reasonable. Take action CK_John Apr 2013 #35

Thanks but -- CokeMachine Apr 2013 #45

Doesn't work that way Travelman Apr 2013 #59

Not so. The states can call for a constitutional convention without stating an agenda. CK_John Apr 2013 #88

"start the process and Congress will get very reasonable" Union Scribe Apr 2013 #156

How about we tax guns? kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #25

So you only want the 1%ers to be armed -- what could go wrong with that? nt CokeMachine Apr 2013 #33

The 1%ers have the US Army and NATO and you have pop guns kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #41

Swing and Miss. CokeMachine Apr 2013 #56

And in your plan, tens of thousands will continue to die every year kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #82

Cool story Bro!! CokeMachine Apr 2013 #137

Poll taxes were used to discourage certain people from exercising their right to vote badtoworse Apr 2013 #90

Problems with this... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #154

Read the rules required to do it. Get back to me. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #29

see post 12 or Article V. CK_John Apr 2013 #40

When legislation fails, it's usually not a good idea to propose more extreme legislation. reformist2 Apr 2013 #30

Yeah, good luck with that Dpm12 Apr 2013 #34

The 21st Amendment restored a freedom that was taken away. William769 Apr 2013 #39

2/3 to start a petition, 3/4 to pass. My point is to start the process, not try to CK_John Apr 2013 #43

By all means start the process, but don't be surprised if the results disappoint you. slackmaster Apr 2013 #47

Good luck in your new Riftaxe Apr 2013 #44

Support for the repeal of the 2A is less than insignificant. nt Codeine Apr 2013 #55

FUCK THE NRA and their fucking sycophants. ARGO.... madinmaryland Apr 2013 #91

Any party that makes a move on amendments 1 though 10 will reap terrible electoral consequences. JVS Apr 2013 #93

Not going to happen, now or ever. nt Raine Apr 2013 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #97

Amend or repeal? Throd Apr 2013 #98

Either, we just need to start the damm process to skake up Congress. CK_John Apr 2013 #102

Actually, I will worry about the details quite a bit. Throd Apr 2013 #109

It usually takes about 7yrs to get 38 states to petition, plenty of time to work on details. CK_John Apr 2013 #128

"Hey, let's repeal or amend constitutional rights, we'll sweat the details later." Me no like. Throd Apr 2013 #130

Wrong. onenote Apr 2013 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author mikegray Apr 2013 #118

Read article V to see how and who can change the constitution. Not POTUS or Congress. CK_John Apr 2013 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #133

Since nobody is even attempting "to take away guns" your argument is bullshit. arcane1 Apr 2013 #135

As much as I would love for this to happen. geomon666 Apr 2013 #152

Actually, crime rates have been dropping for years. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #155

Sorry you missed my point. Just starting the process will be enough to get CK_John Apr 2013 #157