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SheilaT

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21. Yep.. But golly gee, nothing can possibly

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:47 PM

Apr 2013

be more important that the unfettered right to own guns.

Oh, and to the poster who brought up alcohol related deaths: well, yeah. But that's a totally separate discussion.

In addition some 400,000 people each year die from smoking. Personally, I would not object to smoking being outlawed, but for the very most part smokers only kill themselves. Yes, second-hand smoke is a real issue, but again, that's a separate discussion.

I keep on asking the question: Would it make a difference if the loved one of one of the gun apologists were to be killed or maimed? I guess not. I guess to the gun apologists it's okay if their own child, spouse, cousin, parent, sibling gets killed. It's all okay because the right to own guns trumps the right to remain alive.

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83 dead and another 163 wounded . . . . and no headlines about it. [View all] Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 OP

K&R and thank you MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #1

K&R. nt DesertFlower Apr 2013 #2

Stop making sense mokawanis Apr 2013 #3

Great way of putting it. Does fit them, like Gollum, pitiful and dangerous because of it. rwsanders Apr 2013 #30

Amurderica! Lint Head Apr 2013 #4

There a 273 alcohol-related deaths every day and no headlines. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #5

dang beer lobby Atlatl Apr 2013 #12

Are you seriously trying to equate murders and suicides with alcohol related deaths? morningfog Apr 2013 #13

Are you suggesting there aren't any alcohol related murders, suicides, sexual assaults, etc.? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #17

What is an alcohol related murder or suicide? morningfog Apr 2013 #19

DWI, for starters... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #23

How many alcohol-related murders, not using guns? morningfog Apr 2013 #37

Almost 10,000 deaths from DWI's alone annually in the US NickB79 Apr 2013 #60

Please don't play obtuse and pretend to be unaware of alcohol fueled rage/depression Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #28

You dodged. I asked about alcohol related murders and suicides morningfog Apr 2013 #35

Are you arguing that some gun control measure would make the drunks less lethal? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #39

I am asking you to clarify. morningfog Apr 2013 #41

The subject of the OP is the daily number of gun deaths Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #44

The subject of the OP is daily gun murders and suicides. morningfog Apr 2013 #45

And the number of gun deaths pales compared to alcohol-related havoc. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #47

No, it still doesn't separate out guns from the rest of the suicides. morningfog Apr 2013 #48

It's kinda hard to fail when there's no standard. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #50

Is this the new NRA Red Herring? I can't wait for "Tree related deaths"! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #56

Don't be silly ... nobody is talking about 'gun prohibition'. brett_jv Apr 2013 #42

The bill that sank today would have done nothing to prevent the tragedy it was Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #49

Well said... Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #64

not a farce-- it was a start towards better regulation NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #66

I'm saying we ought to use the laws we have now. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #67

what laws are being unenforced? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #71

read upthread Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #72

I looked over your earlier posts and don't see those laws-- perhaps you could point NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #73

You've approached the conversation so politely, frankly, I'm taken aback Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #75

Sure... thanks for the response. NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #76

And these similar rules apply to guns. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #77

Maybe I'm less tolerant because of Monday, but I suggest you crawl back to the FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #25

Yes, Master. Right away, Master. Is there anything I can get you before I go, Master? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #29

Yup, sure enough, I'm less tolerant because of Monday. What's your excuse? FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #31

You act as if your tolerance has some sort of relevance. You're nobody to me. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #32

See, the thing is I'm usually a tolerant person (by DU standards even) and having FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #43

So, in other words -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #46

Wow... "high-dudgeon internet tough guy" I like that. New user name someday. Meanwhile FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #53

Sorry, but gun control advocates aren't the only ones allowed to cite research Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #54

My lack of a 'substantive reply' served to demonstrate that you had no real point. Even if FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #63

I'm making the point that people are focusing on superstition Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #68

"...your fellow gun-grabbers" OK I guess that confirms my suspicion about your motives FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #69

So, if you're not a grabber then you affirm the right of Americans Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #70

"Grabbers" DainBramaged Apr 2013 #81

argumentum ad populum is the best you can do? Middle school debate teams know better than that. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #82

You're farting in the wind trying to convince us of the NRA side of the debate DainBramaged Apr 2013 #83

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I hate when I cite something then can't re-find the source, but -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #38

These are but small prices the right wing willingly, even gleefully, requires Americans to pay in indepat Apr 2013 #6

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There is no boom to show repeatedly on TV liberal N proud Apr 2013 #7

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K&R and tweeted n/t defacto7 Apr 2013 #10

You have to take the guns away from urban males 15 to 35 to have any effect on that. FarCenter Apr 2013 #11

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You'd think that they could adapt Ka band radar guns to detect weapons under clothing on the street FarCenter Apr 2013 #24

The Killing Fields moondust Apr 2013 #14

Kick abelenkpe Apr 2013 #15

If there was more Social Equity...maybe the Gun Violence would go KoKo Apr 2013 #16

Nice work. How many children die in Rio de Janeiro every day? cliffordu Apr 2013 #18

Yep.. But golly gee, nothing can possibly SheilaT Apr 2013 #21

I live in rural Pa. watoos Apr 2013 #26

Pennsyltucky! Patiod Apr 2013 #57

Was listening to right wing radio and everyone wants cameras on every street now because of Boston Quixote1818 Apr 2013 #27

Unreported gun deaths? hughee99 Apr 2013 #34

folks against any form of regulation regarding guns fascisthunter Apr 2013 #36

K&R SunSeeker Apr 2013 #40

K&R. myrna minx Apr 2013 #51

Yup. Only the absolutely rarest kind of shooting (random mass shootings) gets any coverage... Recursion Apr 2013 #52

Yeah, it's insane. Handguns are the menace. Easily conceable and only designed for one purpose. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #61

Would you feel better if the murder victims were stabbed or beaten, or killed by bombs? slackmaster Apr 2013 #55

No. I would pefer the murderers be disarmed. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #58

Maybe big soft oversized boxing gloves then.... Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #65

Excellent point. nt valerief Apr 2013 #59

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #62

We get headlines almost every day in Chicago about gun violence. mucifer Apr 2013 #74

Every big city gets the same. Maybe even two or three in a single day. But that is NOT the story. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #79

KICKED and RECOMMENDED. madinmaryland Apr 2013 #78

It's only a story if it's different. Cars kill a lot of people every day...no headlines. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #80