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morningfog

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41. I am asking you to clarify.

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:02 PM

Apr 2013

You said, "Are you suggesting there aren't any alcohol related murders, suicides.."

I asked how many alcohol related murders and suicides did not include guns, because that is the subject of this OP.

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83 dead and another 163 wounded . . . . and no headlines about it. [View all] Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 OP

K&R and thank you MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #1

K&R. nt DesertFlower Apr 2013 #2

Stop making sense mokawanis Apr 2013 #3

Great way of putting it. Does fit them, like Gollum, pitiful and dangerous because of it. rwsanders Apr 2013 #30

Amurderica! Lint Head Apr 2013 #4

There a 273 alcohol-related deaths every day and no headlines. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #5

dang beer lobby Atlatl Apr 2013 #12

Are you seriously trying to equate murders and suicides with alcohol related deaths? morningfog Apr 2013 #13

Are you suggesting there aren't any alcohol related murders, suicides, sexual assaults, etc.? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #17

What is an alcohol related murder or suicide? morningfog Apr 2013 #19

DWI, for starters... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #23

How many alcohol-related murders, not using guns? morningfog Apr 2013 #37

Almost 10,000 deaths from DWI's alone annually in the US NickB79 Apr 2013 #60

Please don't play obtuse and pretend to be unaware of alcohol fueled rage/depression Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #28

You dodged. I asked about alcohol related murders and suicides morningfog Apr 2013 #35

Are you arguing that some gun control measure would make the drunks less lethal? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #39

I am asking you to clarify. morningfog Apr 2013 #41

The subject of the OP is the daily number of gun deaths Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #44

The subject of the OP is daily gun murders and suicides. morningfog Apr 2013 #45

And the number of gun deaths pales compared to alcohol-related havoc. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #47

No, it still doesn't separate out guns from the rest of the suicides. morningfog Apr 2013 #48

It's kinda hard to fail when there's no standard. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #50

Is this the new NRA Red Herring? I can't wait for "Tree related deaths"! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #56

Don't be silly ... nobody is talking about 'gun prohibition'. brett_jv Apr 2013 #42

The bill that sank today would have done nothing to prevent the tragedy it was Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #49

Well said... Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #64

not a farce-- it was a start towards better regulation NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #66

I'm saying we ought to use the laws we have now. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #67

what laws are being unenforced? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #71

read upthread Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #72

I looked over your earlier posts and don't see those laws-- perhaps you could point NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #73

You've approached the conversation so politely, frankly, I'm taken aback Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #75

Sure... thanks for the response. NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #76

And these similar rules apply to guns. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #77

Maybe I'm less tolerant because of Monday, but I suggest you crawl back to the FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #25

Yes, Master. Right away, Master. Is there anything I can get you before I go, Master? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #29

Yup, sure enough, I'm less tolerant because of Monday. What's your excuse? FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #31

You act as if your tolerance has some sort of relevance. You're nobody to me. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #32

See, the thing is I'm usually a tolerant person (by DU standards even) and having FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #43

So, in other words -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #46

Wow... "high-dudgeon internet tough guy" I like that. New user name someday. Meanwhile FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #53

Sorry, but gun control advocates aren't the only ones allowed to cite research Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #54

My lack of a 'substantive reply' served to demonstrate that you had no real point. Even if FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #63

I'm making the point that people are focusing on superstition Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #68

"...your fellow gun-grabbers" OK I guess that confirms my suspicion about your motives FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #69

So, if you're not a grabber then you affirm the right of Americans Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #70

"Grabbers" DainBramaged Apr 2013 #81

argumentum ad populum is the best you can do? Middle school debate teams know better than that. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #82

You're farting in the wind trying to convince us of the NRA side of the debate DainBramaged Apr 2013 #83

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I hate when I cite something then can't re-find the source, but -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #38

These are but small prices the right wing willingly, even gleefully, requires Americans to pay in indepat Apr 2013 #6

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There is no boom to show repeatedly on TV liberal N proud Apr 2013 #7

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K&R and tweeted n/t defacto7 Apr 2013 #10

You have to take the guns away from urban males 15 to 35 to have any effect on that. FarCenter Apr 2013 #11

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You'd think that they could adapt Ka band radar guns to detect weapons under clothing on the street FarCenter Apr 2013 #24

The Killing Fields moondust Apr 2013 #14

Kick abelenkpe Apr 2013 #15

If there was more Social Equity...maybe the Gun Violence would go KoKo Apr 2013 #16

Nice work. How many children die in Rio de Janeiro every day? cliffordu Apr 2013 #18

Yep.. But golly gee, nothing can possibly SheilaT Apr 2013 #21

I live in rural Pa. watoos Apr 2013 #26

Pennsyltucky! Patiod Apr 2013 #57

Was listening to right wing radio and everyone wants cameras on every street now because of Boston Quixote1818 Apr 2013 #27

Unreported gun deaths? hughee99 Apr 2013 #34

folks against any form of regulation regarding guns fascisthunter Apr 2013 #36

K&R SunSeeker Apr 2013 #40

K&R. myrna minx Apr 2013 #51

Yup. Only the absolutely rarest kind of shooting (random mass shootings) gets any coverage... Recursion Apr 2013 #52

Yeah, it's insane. Handguns are the menace. Easily conceable and only designed for one purpose. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #61

Would you feel better if the murder victims were stabbed or beaten, or killed by bombs? slackmaster Apr 2013 #55

No. I would pefer the murderers be disarmed. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #58

Maybe big soft oversized boxing gloves then.... Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #65

Excellent point. nt valerief Apr 2013 #59

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #62

We get headlines almost every day in Chicago about gun violence. mucifer Apr 2013 #74

Every big city gets the same. Maybe even two or three in a single day. But that is NOT the story. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #79

KICKED and RECOMMENDED. madinmaryland Apr 2013 #78

It's only a story if it's different. Cars kill a lot of people every day...no headlines. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #80