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FBaggins

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45. Nope.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:22 AM
Apr 2013
patronization (talking down to),

Missed the irony there, eh?

1. Bq/Kg (Which means the number of radioactive disintegrations per second in each kilogram) doesn't distinguish between the kind of radiation - alpha, beta, or gamma

Which would be so much less embarrassing for you if it weren't for the fact that K40 and Cs134/137 are both beta emitters (K40 actually shows all three types of beta decay)

2. You don't make any reference to the body's response to K-40 versus Cs-137.

Ah... more of the banana defense. How original. The fact is that no, potassium levels are not a constant in the body (else there would not be such a large body of research on variability of potassium levels and how/when to treat them... nor any need to include potassium in multivitamins... or tell people how to increase their potassium intake). It is true that we excrete the stuff, but it isn't instantaneous. The excretion time delay for potassium is about 30 days. The biological half-life for Cesium is closer to 70, but it too leaves the body. So no... you can't eat large amounts of potassium-rich foods and never increase your "body load"... you'll just hit a higher equilibrium level as the excretion rate matches your higher intake levels.

a naturally occurring isotope which Earth's creatures have evolved with and adjusted to, it can be considered normal and non-harmful since the environment in which we evolved is the baseline for determinations of health effects

That's nonsensical (and laughable)... though frequently parroted here. Elements are one thing, but a gamma ray of a particular energy is a gamma ray of a particular energy. The tissue that is exposed to it has no clue what element it came from.

the real meaning of "no safe level of exposure" is "No safe level of increase above the natural background radiation," and "natural" in this context excludes the radioactive contamination of our biosphere due to human nuclear activities

Just as ridiculous. The radon in your home is "natural"... but amount that you are exposed to is much higher (in most cases) because we live in well-sealed homes (where we did not evolve). Cosmic radiation is entirely natural, but we didn't evolve at 30,000 feet... and our decision to fly (or to live at higher elevations) impacts that dose.

You seem to be saying that you agree there is "no safe level of exposure" but then proceed to ridicule that very premise. That's confusing.

There's a difference between being confusing... and just being confused. The "no safe level" spin has always been just that... spin. It relies on the fact that "safe" is taken to mean that there is absolutely zero chance of any negative impact. By that standard, nothing is "safe". It's true that there is no way to build a bridge such that it immune to collapse in all circumstances. Some people have an irrational fear of bridges... but we would laugh at them if they went on about how there's "no safe exposure" to bridges and drove miles out of their way to avoid them... because driving is inherently dangerous too. And yet here you are telling me that we evolved walking on dirt and there were no bridges around.

IOW, "no safe level" is true... it just doesn't mean anything. The implied corollary (that any additional amount is to be avoided) is simply not true.

I'm just getting my socks on.

What you forget is that there's far more involved than just being willing to tell the truth. You first must know what the truth is... and your first two posts are not encouraging in that regard.

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K&R!!!!! burrowowl Apr 2013 #1
Gee, it'd be nice if it wasn't up to independent researchers to pay attention to this stuff. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #2
You must not have been paying attention FBaggins Apr 2013 #5
Really? So where's the data on radioactive isotopes in, say, Pacific fish caught for sale in the US? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #12
It's too low to measure in almost all cases. FBaggins Apr 2013 #13
Exactly. The EPA isn't measuring it. The FDA isn't measuring it. My point exactly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #15
Sorry... wrong. FBaggins Apr 2013 #17
Dance, dance, dance. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #19
Thanks for making my point. FBaggins Apr 2013 #20
If you've actually read what I've written, I'm not "predisposed to think" anything. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #22
you were corrected in a few simple errors FBaggins Apr 2013 #23
Right. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #24
Why did you bring Sr90 into the discussion?... SidDithers Apr 2013 #29
you're absolutely right, Sid; I meant Strontium, not Cesium. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #36
That's a big "IF" FBaggins Apr 2013 #39
Is wasn't a "goofy platitude" FBaggins Apr 2013 #38
what's the recommended level of excess radiation exposure above natural background? CreekDog Apr 2013 #25
There is no such thing FBaggins Apr 2013 #37
Apples and Oranges versus Bananas and Tuna Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #42
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #45
Don't blame me if your ambiguous and confusing rhetoric ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #47
Lol! FBaggins Apr 2013 #48
Huh? hunter Apr 2013 #46
Try this for a "huh" - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #49
You do understand that a much worse scenario is within our borders? mick063 Apr 2013 #3
Much worse? FBaggins Apr 2013 #4
You really don't know do you? mick063 Apr 2013 #10
Please consider posting this as an OP as it so succinct. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #11
In fact I do. FBaggins Apr 2013 #16
I have to disagree mick063 Apr 2013 #21
The methods of disinformation are many Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #40
Oustanding post! Octafish Apr 2013 #43
Aw... and you saved your first post for little 'ol me? FBaggins Apr 2013 #44
I agree with him. Occulus Apr 2013 #87
He's not a newbie FBaggins Apr 2013 #88
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #14
Yep. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #26
All this from one nuclear installation gone bad Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #6
This is one reason (albeit an extremely potent one) why..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #33
Why do you hate nuclear power? malaise Apr 2013 #7
You mean aside from it being the most..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #30
You did see my sarcasm thingy? n/t malaise Apr 2013 #31
Yeah I did. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #34
Honest question: Is Obama still intent on the taxpayer supported Nuke in Georgia? byeya Apr 2013 #8
Why of course! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #28
kick flamingdem Apr 2013 #9
Well, me and the birds are fine for today, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #18
Hmmm.... Nanas! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #27
Check out this old Mork and Mindy you tube clip! Zorra Apr 2013 #32
From ancient times.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #35
Fukushima is still out of control. Octafish Apr 2013 #41
De nada. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #50
And, don't forget ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #51
"This video has been removed by the user." hunter Apr 2013 #52
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #53
Uploaded again, don't know how long it will last - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #54
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” ~George Orwell nt DeSwiss Apr 2013 #55
NOAA Sea Surface Temperatures reveals a surprising thing... Octafish Apr 2013 #56
Let me guess... FBaggins Apr 2013 #57
Is your mission in life to knock me for wondering about the stupidity of atomic power? Octafish Apr 2013 #58
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #59
Keep the smears. It's the NOAA satellite data. Octafish Apr 2013 #60
There's nothing wrong with the data. FBaggins Apr 2013 #61
Who's the real 'internet nut,' FBaggins? Octafish Apr 2013 #62
You're not saying that you're responsible for the interpretation of the video, are you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #63
What a load of crap. Octafish Apr 2013 #64
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. FBaggins Apr 2013 #65
Write what you want. Just don't smear me. Octafish Apr 2013 #68
I didn't. FBaggins Apr 2013 #69
Really? Look at the map and see for yourself where the sea surface temperatures are highest. Octafish Apr 2013 #72
Right! What else could it POSSIBLY be??? FBaggins Apr 2013 #73
The NOAA map I posted was from the last month. Yours is from 1997. Octafish Apr 2013 #74
Did that actually make sense to you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #75
2002? Big deal. It's still not what you wrote. Octafish Apr 2013 #77
It's exactly what I wrote. FBaggins Apr 2013 #80
It's still there. Which reminds me why I don't trust the nuclear industry's perspective... Octafish Apr 2013 #81
Except that it isn't "there" FBaggins Apr 2013 #82
Except. It is. Octafish Apr 2013 #83
Repeating a clear falsehood doesn't make it any less dishonest. FBaggins Apr 2013 #84
All is well, right? Octafish Apr 2013 #85
All is most certainly not "well" FBaggins Apr 2013 #86
Let us compare, FBaggins. I say it's not normal. You say it is. Octafish Apr 2013 #79
FBaggins is up to his old tricks, eh? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #89
Is it time to quit eating from the Pacific Ocean? Coyotl Apr 2013 #66
My sense is to quit eating the salmon that swims long distances and tuna flamingdem Apr 2013 #67
This is also addressed to Flamingdem and any others Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #70
We seem to be caught between a wild-caught radioactive rock..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #76
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #78
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