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FrodosPet

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54. There should be strict controls on metalworking machines as well

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:54 AM

Apr 2013

If the manufacture and sale of new guns was outlawed, the trade would go underground. And considering that the production of firearms goes back hundreds of years, it is not all that hard for someone with even a modest amount of metalworking equipment and knowledge to produce illegal guns.

Our only real chance at enforcement is to get over our distaste for warrantless search and seizure. The police must be allowed to search any building in search of CNC machines, metal lathes, and hard steel stock. Vocational schools should be required to turn over the names of students who take metal shop, and a database should be set up to track them.

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I Want to Know If the Brothers Bought Their Guns Legally... [View all] DonRedwood Apr 2013 OP

There may be Hell to pay, re: Senate Vote Of Shame. nt onehandle Apr 2013 #1

If the Tighty Righties can tell Newtown Parent to "Go to Hell" DonRedwood Apr 2013 #4

They were MA residents Recursion Apr 2013 #2

yup... and Americans can travel freely to other states with no rules and buy guns DonRedwood Apr 2013 #7

And doing so breaks the law Recursion Apr 2013 #14

Um.... do you think they care if HOW they got their guns break the law? DonRedwood Apr 2013 #19

Umm... That's the NRA's point, right? Recursion Apr 2013 #22

+1 n/t ChazII Apr 2013 #39

Purportedly at least one was a US citizen ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #3

Yep marions ghost Apr 2013 #5

MA guns laws are very strict Marrah_G Apr 2013 #6

So they might have drove a few hours, picked up a trunkfull of guns and ammo DonRedwood Apr 2013 #10

If they did that they were breaking the law Recursion Apr 2013 #35

And of course the NRA wants to ensure that breaking the law is as easy as possible. Crunchy Frog Apr 2013 #55

So how do you propose making breaking the law more difficult Recursion Apr 2013 #56

Universal background checks for starters? Crunchy Frog Apr 2013 #57

Probably. earthside Apr 2013 #8

Or the gun lovers will dismiss everything before the facts are even known DonRedwood Apr 2013 #13

I like the irony ag_dude Apr 2013 #23

I haven't seen any indication that either of them would not have been entitled to buy them legally. slackmaster Apr 2013 #9

AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM!! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #17

So, what's your solution? slackmaster Apr 2013 #20

Ban semi-auto high capacity mass murder weapons jpak Apr 2013 #28

What does that mean? Recursion Apr 2013 #40

Don't be coy - what was used in Aurora, Tuscon, Newtown, DC? jpak Apr 2013 #43

I'm not being coy. You have things backwards Recursion Apr 2013 #44

ban the fucking high capacity magazines jpak Apr 2013 #48

I agree! So does most of the gungeon. Recursion Apr 2013 #50

Certainly ban introducing more of them into society. Loudly Apr 2013 #41

There should be strict controls on metalworking machines as well FrodosPet Apr 2013 #54

If only it were necessary for gun worshippers to go to the trouble of making their own. Loudly Apr 2013 #58

I don't think that recognizing a problem exists directly implies knowledge of a solution. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #66

Like Cho, Holmes and Loughner. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #18

Exactly. The real problem is the people. People with severe mental illnesses or twisted ideologies. slackmaster Apr 2013 #21

But they weren't convicted felons. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #24

Nor had they been adjudicated as mentally incompetent, or discharged dishonorably from the military, slackmaster Apr 2013 #25

So it was okay for them to legally buy guns. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #27

Allowing them to buy guns legally is an unfortunate consequence of allowing you and me to do so. slackmaster Apr 2013 #31

Right. Want an omlet, gotta crack a few eggs. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #34

If my city was locked down because a crazed, armed terrorist was on the loose, I sure wouldn't... slackmaster Apr 2013 #36

And "good people" who buy guns and then turn out to be not so good? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #38

People occasionally turn bad and misuse all kinds of things slackmaster Apr 2013 #47

You see, I'm more about proactivity. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #51

You haven't offered any kind of solution that would have helped in the present situation. slackmaster Apr 2013 #52

Psych evaluations before being able to purchase a weapon and at intervals thereafter. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #53

On what grounds would you have denied Cho or Laughner? Recursion Apr 2013 #59

That they were mentally unstable? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #60

According to whom? Recursion Apr 2013 #61

I don't know. I'm confident a psych could, though. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #62

Before their attacks? No, I don't Recursion Apr 2013 #63

Yeah.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #64

If they didn't have a record, the background check most likely would not have helped in this case, still_one Apr 2013 #11

I agree sandmann Apr 2013 #68

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... cyberswede Apr 2013 #15

Does the NRA pay you? DonRedwood Apr 2013 #16

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They bought smokeless gunpowder to make those bombs jpak Apr 2013 #30

Wow mercuryblues Apr 2013 #33

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well mercuryblues Apr 2013 #42

Per Massachusetts law Lurks Often Apr 2013 #26

I want to know if they followed all applicable local state and federal law Leslie Valley Apr 2013 #29

And if they bought the pressure cookers and ball bearings legally! B2G Apr 2013 #45

I may be wrong Daninmo Apr 2013 #46

Impossible for you to put your agenda on hold for a week? snooper2 Apr 2013 #49

And there are NO lists for the purchase of pressure cookers, ball bearings, etc. or for backpacks bike man Apr 2013 #65

Both were resident aliens... Travelman Apr 2013 #67

I have been wondering the same thing. Hubert Flottz Apr 2013 #69