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61. you focused on one word

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:31 PM

Apr 2013

I've described how I feel about the man's statement, word included, at several points in this thread. Read through, if you're interested. You're swatting at your own distaste for the word here. The man is a recent immigrant. 'Loser' was a push back. An attempt to put distance between the violence and he and other Chechens who might draw negative scrutiny and attention.

The rest of his statement was significant to me, because it didn't try and assign any ideology or expression of nationality to the act. 'Loser,' in the context of his statement, was a clear denunciation of the two brothers - as clear as he may have imagined it would convey in our language.

I imagine that he's somewhat unfamiliar with the all of the precepts and etiquette of egalitarian terminology, so, I'm hesitant to ascribe what you describe as American values and intentions to that one word.

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LOSERS, not able to settle themselves, so, they hated everyone else who did [View all] bigtree Apr 2013 OP

Ruslan Tsarni - a well-spoken man wanting to get out in front of the media storm. randome Apr 2013 #1

it was a brilliant statement bigtree Apr 2013 #4

good. that is what i want to hear. because i believe that is ALL this is and bullshit with the seabeyond Apr 2013 #8

Up till now, nobody would call these two losers. LisaL Apr 2013 #9

All the money and fame in the world and you can still be a loser inside. randome Apr 2013 #19

Well that would apply to everybody, woudn't it? LisaL Apr 2013 #23

Yes. Anyone you know but are unable to telepathically monitor is capable of being a loser. randome Apr 2013 #27

it would IF everyone were losers. but we are not. many of us live a winner kinda mentality seabeyond Apr 2013 #29

I think he made a more important point bigtree Apr 2013 #22

But does it make it the truth? LisaL Apr 2013 #25

depends on what question you are trying to answer bigtree Apr 2013 #42

He has no credibility making that assertion because he hadn't seen them in years. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #93

hmm bigtree Apr 2013 #100

That is an uncle in Russia not the one who spoke to the media. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #102

i think they absolutely would the older brother. seabeyond Apr 2013 #26

Seriously? LisaL Apr 2013 #31

have you watched two brothers grow and interact with each other? i have had a lifetime seabeyond Apr 2013 #33

How do you call a medical student a loser malaise Apr 2013 #30

doesnt the youngest become a loser when he participates in THIS? lol. i think the seabeyond Apr 2013 #34

True malaise Apr 2013 #37

absolutely. i think so. if the kids had the back bone to say... fuck that. my life is on track. seabeyond Apr 2013 #39

Well it's all over now malaise Apr 2013 #41

How can he be a medical student at 19? karynnj Apr 2013 #60

Pre-med I suspect but malaise Apr 2013 #68

Father could be confused. LisaL Apr 2013 #72

True but all I've heard in recent days is malaise Apr 2013 #109

Marine Biology could be pre-med. LisaL Apr 2013 #117

From what I read he was a nursing student. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #94

To me, a loser is someone who lacks heart and integrity. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #67

He was in his second year of undergraduate work siligut Apr 2013 #91

It's pretty easy GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #106

Valid point - lots of losers with criminal minds malaise Apr 2013 #111

He wasn't exactly a medical student. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #110

I thought the older guy was attending a community college. Skidmore Apr 2013 #114

Tsarni seemed well aware of those kinds of misconceptions. randome Apr 2013 #15

That is my gut feeling. n/t ChazII Apr 2013 #86

by definition, I think anyone who blows up people is a homocidal shithead, not to mention a "loser" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #56

These two don't look like losers to me. They were involved, had goals. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #87

he had a more measured interview today bigtree Apr 2013 #89

He gave the media his time, I hope they live him alone now... dorkzilla Apr 2013 #2

He answered their questions and asked for respect. randome Apr 2013 #6

I would like to hear the uncle answer one question ...WHY DID THE BOY"S FATHER Tippy Apr 2013 #88

Well, he'll be forever linked to terrorists justiceischeap Apr 2013 #3

i do not think so. we will see. and i get what you are saying. but we ALL have the family seabeyond Apr 2013 #12

Exactly. Amaril Apr 2013 #77

Very powerful and moving. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #5

But is it true? LisaL Apr 2013 #7

I didn't see the uncle deutsey Apr 2013 #10

right. i get the older brother brought the younger in. the younger probably could seabeyond Apr 2013 #18

He was "a nice quiet boy," according to the uncle deutsey Apr 2013 #32

living in texas, i know a couple young men, 26ish and older, that are disillusioned seabeyond Apr 2013 #38

at that age it's routine to be out of school and working. if he had a kid and a wife he wasn't able bettyellen Apr 2013 #105

But they obviously didn't feel successful CJCRANE Apr 2013 #14

Obviously? LisaL Apr 2013 #20

If you feel you are achieving what you want in life CJCRANE Apr 2013 #24

It sounds like the uncle is estranged from the boys' family. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #17

Do you not understand marions ghost Apr 2013 #48

He retired boxing after limited success- had a wife who he wasn't supporting (she lived with her bettyellen Apr 2013 #95

+1000, Interesting comment. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #11

except that not what anyone who knew the younger one says. not a one cali Apr 2013 #13

Exactly. LisaL Apr 2013 #16

again, like i said in a post above. the older brother brought younger in. i can see that. loser seabeyond Apr 2013 #21

yes, I said that a while ago in another post cali Apr 2013 #28

Agreed. I don't think those two brothers had any real religious DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #35

As has been pointed out in this very thread, the younger brother was quite popular Fumesucker Apr 2013 #40

Ahem marions ghost Apr 2013 #51

At least I didn't call her "Snookie" like some female DUer did a little while back Fumesucker Apr 2013 #53

nah. just the size of a gfs chest is indicative of your worth. i mean, wtf? nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #57

Of course it is gaspee Apr 2013 #63

+1 redqueen Apr 2013 #80

I wasn't trying to be negative, go take it up with the woman who called her "Snookie" Fumesucker Apr 2013 #66

lol seabeyond Apr 2013 #69

I think I'm a lot like your older son, serious mostly, don't make friends easily Fumesucker Apr 2013 #71

lol lol seabeyond Apr 2013 #79

Nasty marions ghost Apr 2013 #75

That could be the next debate: the role of social media in radicalizing people. nt CJCRANE Apr 2013 #43

and THIS... i totally agree. i have been discussing this. seeing the ripple turn into a wave. seabeyond Apr 2013 #55

Also IMO the authorities need to monitor social media more effectively CJCRANE Apr 2013 #59

that's as close as we'll get to understanding this; to remind of the utter selfishness of the act bigtree Apr 2013 #47

Where is there any indication they were alienated or disillusioned? snagglepuss Apr 2013 #92

both made comments - older no AMerican friends (don't understand them) younger 10 years in USA and bettyellen Apr 2013 #99

The older one married an American girl who converted. And I heard interviews snagglepuss Apr 2013 #101

Was he living with his wife? Working? To me it sounds like he had nothing going on except dashed bettyellen Apr 2013 #103

Excellent analysis. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #112

we all know people who are mildly like this- take no responsibility for their problems, who have bettyellen Apr 2013 #116

I would live next door to that guy. GitRDun Apr 2013 #36

Yea. Riiiiiiiight. Zax2me Apr 2013 #44

I think the alienation comes first. The ideology comes next CJCRANE Apr 2013 #46

Losers and Winners, that's what America is all about Fumesucker Apr 2013 #45

Agree marions ghost Apr 2013 #49

I think that you'd be hard pressed to put some deep reflective meaning behind such an act bigtree Apr 2013 #50

It wasn't the act I was speaking of but the terminology and attitudes behind that terminology Fumesucker Apr 2013 #52

that didn't look to be the intent of the uncle in using that term bigtree Apr 2013 #54

But you liked the terminology enough to repeat it and praise it Fumesucker Apr 2013 #58

you focused on one word bigtree Apr 2013 #61

Since we think in language then language to a big extent determines how we think Fumesucker Apr 2013 #62

Am I the only one that thinks older brother seemed aimless and adrift? Not having a home with bettyellen Apr 2013 #96

As someone who doesn't really "fit" in the culture that surrounds me I understand that alienation Fumesucker Apr 2013 #97

yeah, I feel lucky to live in NYC where there's a niche for everyone.... bettyellen Apr 2013 #98

I hear you. I find myself isolating a lot for those very same reasons. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #113

It is possible marions ghost Apr 2013 #65

You can't be a loser if Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #73

The "game" is life in America Fumesucker Apr 2013 #76

And your point is? Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #81

On top of my head, obviously Fumesucker Apr 2013 #82

Now THAT is cutting through the bullshit hifiguy Apr 2013 #108

Love that Uncle Tsarni! Taverner Apr 2013 #64

All terrorists are losers, So I agree with the uncle. Rex Apr 2013 #70

Take a look at the thread with 30 pictures of the younger brother Fumesucker Apr 2013 #74

I tried to look at that link in that thread Rex Apr 2013 #78

I think the uncle meant malcontents. His English was pretty basic and broken. Cleita Apr 2013 #83

Define loser! Milliesmom Apr 2013 #84

What if they both maxed-out all their credit-card accounts (if any) Amonester Apr 2013 #90

I think you are combining characteristics of both of them. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #115

Hi, Yes I stated that I was. Milliesmom Apr 2013 #118

Sorry, no problem. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #119

so young MFM008 Apr 2013 #85

The older one was 26. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #104

It was brilliant GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #107