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sarisataka

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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:40 PM

Apr 2013

on excessive powder charge. Testing indicated the taggants were affecting the burn rates in an unpredictable fashion. Most of the time it was not a significant change but in some cases it was increasing pressure by about 20% IIRC.

That increase puts the pressure right at, or just above test level for most barrels. Not a good situation...

I have not followed developments of the technology. If a marker method can be used that would keep pressure spikes within reasonable limits there is no reason to not use it.

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The terrorists fired over 200 rounds in last night's gun battle with police. [View all] onehandle Apr 2013 OP

O M G! avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #1

There should be a law against owning bombs & throwing them at police Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #3

How? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #7

We can't keep hardcore drugs and weapons out of federal prisons FFS... pipoman Apr 2013 #18

Good -- and sad -- point n/t Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #22

because they don't want to BainsBane Apr 2013 #43

The point is... pipoman Apr 2013 #97

What is your point? BainsBane Apr 2013 #98

You don't know what you are talking about.. pipoman Apr 2013 #99

Good point. theaocp Apr 2013 #63

WHAT ABOUT DUIS!!?//!1!11!1!1! morningfog Apr 2013 #78

Really? premium Apr 2013 #12

We have a right to bare bombs!!!!!!! Heather MC Apr 2013 #9

Straw-man alert discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #11

Bear bombs vs bare bums Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #49

Can your fourth grade teacher take a joke? Heather MC Apr 2013 #51

Not an ungrammatical one, no. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #53

Ioun care! Heather MC Apr 2013 #55

I think you mean "fourth" grade teacher Coyotl Apr 2013 #92

pert of da joke Heather MC Apr 2013 #93

I no Coyotl Apr 2013 #105

o'tay! Heather MC Apr 2013 #106

You can bare arms... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #54

You're right!!! n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #56

Now that we've got that, maybe we should take the next sensible step EOTE Apr 2013 #15

The elder, the dead one, has a domestic violence conviction Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #26

And that has absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion. EOTE Apr 2013 #27

Yeah, just like people have a hard time getting hardcore drugs. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #28

And how many innocent bystanders has heroin killed last year? EOTE Apr 2013 #29

People don't have a right to heroin. People do have a right to self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #31

And self defense means 100 round mags? Perhaps 1000? The right to own aircraft carriers? EOTE Apr 2013 #32

The legal standard is common-use personal arms Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #41

source? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #52

Gun nuts don't provide sources. EOTE Apr 2013 #101

And "common use" includes high capacity magazines? EOTE Apr 2013 #70

Standard issue is 30 rounds. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #79

That's insane. As are 100 round magazines. EOTE Apr 2013 #80

Law is not based on your personal phobias and willful ignorance. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #86

Ahhh, so my opposition to unlimited capacity magazines is ignorance and a phobia? EOTE Apr 2013 #87

If mass-killing were its only purpose police wouldn't carry them for lone-criminal encounters. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #90

Non law enforcement don't need to get involved in massive shoot outs. EOTE Apr 2013 #91

Who said get involved? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #94

So again you propose we be able to own attack helicopters. EOTE Apr 2013 #95

A reasonable limit would be what professionals and hobbyists find to be most practical. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #96

You live in a fantasy world. EOTE Apr 2013 #100

You conjure non-existent scenario after non-existent scenario Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #102

Non-existent scenarios? Like the one where you need to take on a dozen terrorists? EOTE Apr 2013 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author clffrdjk Apr 2013 #114

Um, no. premium Apr 2013 #33

It's not my fault if the gun nuts in this country make the only possible actions watered down ones. EOTE Apr 2013 #35

Would you also extend this to LE personnel? If not, why? oneshooter Apr 2013 #38

Should law enforcement be able to purchase guns without a background check? No. EOTE Apr 2013 #71

So he bought it off of John Doe on street and with no doc03 Apr 2013 #39

That's illegal in Massachusetts. Straw Man Apr 2013 #89

So he bought a gun illegally? Recursion Apr 2013 #109

My wife was up at last night and heard the booms. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #20

On the video - you can hear lots of gun shots - and "cracks" that were the explosions jpak Apr 2013 #37

In before some gunhead starts talking about "magazines" vs. "clips". Marr Apr 2013 #4

wonder how many ball bearings were in the pressure cookers Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #5

Fuck the NRA n/t malaise Apr 2013 #6

Impossible, I saw a fellow DUer say no guns were involved. Rex Apr 2013 #8

No guns involved? LOL! sandmann Apr 2013 #40

For your reading pleasure. Rex Apr 2013 #48

Not a fellow DUer, it seems. Robb Apr 2013 #72

NO FUCKN WAY! Rex Apr 2013 #73

holee shit.. frylock Apr 2013 #77

An eye witness to the shooting last night claimed they were using handguns jpak Apr 2013 #10

One of those was from the MIT officer that was shot and killed, premium Apr 2013 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #23

I agree to a point, premium Apr 2013 #25

And where and how they acquired all that firepower. Legally or illegally... nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #13

And when did they acquire it? They may have been stockpiling for some time. nt BootinUp Apr 2013 #16

When I lived in Cambridge 35 years ago the mafia had to share their guns olddots Apr 2013 #17

Source? kudzu22 Apr 2013 #19

News conference just finished by officials stated as such. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #76

Shit!!!! that's a lot of fire power bigdarryl Apr 2013 #21

Do you have a link? nt. premium Apr 2013 #24

This doesn't sound right...The police exchanged 200 rounds... HipChick Apr 2013 #30

Exchanged over 200 rounds OldHippieChick Apr 2013 #34

Well turns out Tamarlan was barred from buying and owning guns! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #36

Tamerlan could have bought a gun from you me or anyone else doc03 Apr 2013 #42

Damage rifle barrels sarisataka Apr 2013 #45

That was the talking point from the NRA at the time when doc03 Apr 2013 #46

Damn them gun nuts at the National Academy of Sciences sarisataka Apr 2013 #47

Times have changed - haven't they jpak Apr 2013 #58

The three criteria recommended sarisataka Apr 2013 #60

Three bodies on Boylston jpak Apr 2013 #61

No - they claimed taggants "degraded ballistic performance". jpak Apr 2013 #57

Nope sarisataka Apr 2013 #59

Yeah - we're so much safer thanks to the fucking NRA jpak Apr 2013 #64

Strange position sarisataka Apr 2013 #67

Let's see - dumb hobby vs. public safety and security? jpak Apr 2013 #68

Think it through sarisataka Apr 2013 #69

The police can use untagged ammo - and I see no evidence that taggants are a safety issue jpak Apr 2013 #74

Police use commercial ammo sarisataka Apr 2013 #75

Give me a break a tagget isn't going to make a gun explode. The only way doc03 Apr 2013 #82

You were close sarisataka Apr 2013 #88

Yes affect acuracy, I remember that was another of many arguments the doc03 Apr 2013 #81

Not in Massachusetts. Straw Man Apr 2013 #83

Gotta a link? CokeMachine Apr 2013 #44

Hmm. It's my understanding that cliffordu Apr 2013 #50

That's what I've seen everywhere Travelman Apr 2013 #65

Right. Unless these two morons had full auto assault weapons. I would doubt that. cliffordu Apr 2013 #66

There is no such thing as a full-auto assault weapon. Cops *may* have full auto weapons Recursion Apr 2013 #104

Thats funny. I shot a full-auto assault weapon in the Army. cliffordu Apr 2013 #110

No, you did not. You fired a full auto assault rifle. Here's a Venn diagram Recursion Apr 2013 #111

Ah. So you are nitpicking the weapon/rifle thingy there. cliffordu Apr 2013 #112

I'm not nit-picking a God d****d thing. This is central to the ****ing law. Recursion Apr 2013 #115

Fabulous. cliffordu Apr 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Apr 2013 #117

Bingo. Straw Man Apr 2013 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #62

Um ... Straw Man Apr 2013 #85

And how many of those rounds came from the cops? B2G Apr 2013 #107

Didn't do them a lot of good. Zax2me Apr 2013 #108

The terrorists didn't fire over 200 rounds, premium Apr 2013 #113