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Mr. Eneos

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70. This is also addressed to Flamingdem and any others
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:05 AM
Apr 2013

anyone who doesn't understand the seriousness of the problem.

Yes, it was time to stop eating anything from the Pacific OR inland fresh waters back in mid 2011.

Here's some of my reasoning on the matter:

I was in Hawaii in November 2011 and found a news report from the preceding April 11 that said the local milk had been tested and contained 1,500% / or 1,500 times (they didn't agree on which as I recall) more Ioding 131 than was "considered safe." So, after 30 days of the meltdowns Hawaii's milk was already way past being safe.

I went to Hawaii thinking it was out of the more direct path of the jet stream and that the ocean waters would take considerable time to reach Hawaii from Japan. What I didn't count on was the surface winds - And I believe that is what contaminated the islands in such a short time.

I was a little encouraged by the mere fact that the local papers reported the story. so, I searched for more info. There was a story shortly thereafter about the dairy farms trying to mitigate the contamination using Boron - Which I suppose they would feed to the cows. I never found any follow up story; there was no mention of other radionuclides which certainly would have accompanied the I-131; there was no advice to people about how much milk (or butter or cheese) would be safe to consume, danger to pregnant women, infants, etc. There was nothing. You can still search out the original story, I think. I just found this on ENEnews: "Top Hawaii health official calls out Forbes’ journalist for reporting Hilo milk exceeds EPA radiation level… then admits he is “technically correct” Published: April 12th, 2011 at 6:25 pm ET By ENENews

Another matter: The first reports we got on the West Coast about contaminated tuna, presumably migrated from Japanese waters, was about mid-2012, if I remember correctly. But, the testing they were reporting was data they had acquired a year earlier.

Another problem: The kelp (and probably all the other seaweed/sea vegetables) was discovered to be contaminated a long time ago here in the L.A. arrea, and that is the food source for a lot of local fish. The fish that consume the contaminated seaweed will bioconcentrate the contaminants and be marketed locally.

Further: Using food and other products that contain ingredients from the ocean - toothpaste, for example - and trying to dodge the poisons by choosing products imported from Europe, S. America, Australia, etc. is not reliable: The products may show the country of origin/manufacture, but the ingredients' place of origin not be specified. And, of course, they might just lie about any of these matters and expect no serious penalty if they were somehow discovered. It probably wouldn't even be reported.

When I was in Hawaii I met a youngish Environmental Sciences student from UHH. I asked him to give me a call when he had some time to discuss the Fukushima incident and the impact on Hawaii's environment. He not only never called; when I said that to him he clammed up like I'd suggested something illegal or dangerous. The US has a long history of keeping the obvious secret from our ignorant and apathetic masses.

Just the fact that we're scavenging and digging for data that should be readily available from our trusted government and the institutions it controls and funds tells me I better watch out for Number One, and leave the naive good citizen attitude behind.

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K&R!!!!! burrowowl Apr 2013 #1
Gee, it'd be nice if it wasn't up to independent researchers to pay attention to this stuff. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #2
You must not have been paying attention FBaggins Apr 2013 #5
Really? So where's the data on radioactive isotopes in, say, Pacific fish caught for sale in the US? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #12
It's too low to measure in almost all cases. FBaggins Apr 2013 #13
Exactly. The EPA isn't measuring it. The FDA isn't measuring it. My point exactly. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #15
Sorry... wrong. FBaggins Apr 2013 #17
Dance, dance, dance. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #19
Thanks for making my point. FBaggins Apr 2013 #20
If you've actually read what I've written, I'm not "predisposed to think" anything. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #22
you were corrected in a few simple errors FBaggins Apr 2013 #23
Right. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #24
Why did you bring Sr90 into the discussion?... SidDithers Apr 2013 #29
you're absolutely right, Sid; I meant Strontium, not Cesium. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #36
That's a big "IF" FBaggins Apr 2013 #39
Is wasn't a "goofy platitude" FBaggins Apr 2013 #38
what's the recommended level of excess radiation exposure above natural background? CreekDog Apr 2013 #25
There is no such thing FBaggins Apr 2013 #37
Apples and Oranges versus Bananas and Tuna Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #42
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #45
Don't blame me if your ambiguous and confusing rhetoric ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #47
Lol! FBaggins Apr 2013 #48
Huh? hunter Apr 2013 #46
Try this for a "huh" - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #49
You do understand that a much worse scenario is within our borders? mick063 Apr 2013 #3
Much worse? FBaggins Apr 2013 #4
You really don't know do you? mick063 Apr 2013 #10
Please consider posting this as an OP as it so succinct. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #11
In fact I do. FBaggins Apr 2013 #16
I have to disagree mick063 Apr 2013 #21
The methods of disinformation are many Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #40
Oustanding post! Octafish Apr 2013 #43
Aw... and you saved your first post for little 'ol me? FBaggins Apr 2013 #44
I agree with him. Occulus Apr 2013 #87
He's not a newbie FBaggins Apr 2013 #88
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #14
Yep. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #26
All this from one nuclear installation gone bad Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #6
This is one reason (albeit an extremely potent one) why..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #33
Why do you hate nuclear power? malaise Apr 2013 #7
You mean aside from it being the most..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #30
You did see my sarcasm thingy? n/t malaise Apr 2013 #31
Yeah I did. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #34
Honest question: Is Obama still intent on the taxpayer supported Nuke in Georgia? byeya Apr 2013 #8
Why of course! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #28
kick flamingdem Apr 2013 #9
Well, me and the birds are fine for today, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #18
Hmmm.... Nanas! DeSwiss Apr 2013 #27
Check out this old Mork and Mindy you tube clip! Zorra Apr 2013 #32
From ancient times.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #35
Fukushima is still out of control. Octafish Apr 2013 #41
De nada. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #50
And, don't forget ... Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #51
"This video has been removed by the user." hunter Apr 2013 #52
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #53
Uploaded again, don't know how long it will last - Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #54
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” ~George Orwell nt DeSwiss Apr 2013 #55
NOAA Sea Surface Temperatures reveals a surprising thing... Octafish Apr 2013 #56
Let me guess... FBaggins Apr 2013 #57
Is your mission in life to knock me for wondering about the stupidity of atomic power? Octafish Apr 2013 #58
Nope. FBaggins Apr 2013 #59
Keep the smears. It's the NOAA satellite data. Octafish Apr 2013 #60
There's nothing wrong with the data. FBaggins Apr 2013 #61
Who's the real 'internet nut,' FBaggins? Octafish Apr 2013 #62
You're not saying that you're responsible for the interpretation of the video, are you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #63
What a load of crap. Octafish Apr 2013 #64
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. FBaggins Apr 2013 #65
Write what you want. Just don't smear me. Octafish Apr 2013 #68
I didn't. FBaggins Apr 2013 #69
Really? Look at the map and see for yourself where the sea surface temperatures are highest. Octafish Apr 2013 #72
Right! What else could it POSSIBLY be??? FBaggins Apr 2013 #73
The NOAA map I posted was from the last month. Yours is from 1997. Octafish Apr 2013 #74
Did that actually make sense to you? FBaggins Apr 2013 #75
2002? Big deal. It's still not what you wrote. Octafish Apr 2013 #77
It's exactly what I wrote. FBaggins Apr 2013 #80
It's still there. Which reminds me why I don't trust the nuclear industry's perspective... Octafish Apr 2013 #81
Except that it isn't "there" FBaggins Apr 2013 #82
Except. It is. Octafish Apr 2013 #83
Repeating a clear falsehood doesn't make it any less dishonest. FBaggins Apr 2013 #84
All is well, right? Octafish Apr 2013 #85
All is most certainly not "well" FBaggins Apr 2013 #86
Let us compare, FBaggins. I say it's not normal. You say it is. Octafish Apr 2013 #79
FBaggins is up to his old tricks, eh? RobertEarl Apr 2013 #89
Is it time to quit eating from the Pacific Ocean? Coyotl Apr 2013 #66
My sense is to quit eating the salmon that swims long distances and tuna flamingdem Apr 2013 #67
This is also addressed to Flamingdem and any others Mr. Eneos Apr 2013 #70
We seem to be caught between a wild-caught radioactive rock..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #76
Yep.... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #78
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