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davidn3600

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76. Look how easy it was to shut down Boston and get 100% compliance

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:02 AM

Apr 2013

Now imagine what the government could do if they orchestrated a bomb blast. They can call a press conference and single out two random people in the crowd. They could put fear over the entire city. And the people will happily give up their rights in return for the promise of safety.

This time....we and the government were on the same side. But what happens in the future when we are not?

The government is under no obligation to tell you the truth about anything. If you think our government can't lie...look at Iraq. Where are the WMDs? Our government used our fear and patriotism from 9/11 to further erode our civil liberties and invade other sovereign nations. And look what happened to those that question or decent...people against the war were tossed into the same category as the terrorists.

Fear and patriotism mixed in a certain way can be incredibly dangerous. That's how the Nazis kept the population firmly in support of Hitler.

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I hate to rain on people's parade but.... [View all] gopiscrap Apr 2013 OP

If we lived in a police state Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #1

Really? gopiscrap Apr 2013 #4

Because you haven't the slightest idea what a police state is? Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #6

And none of this would have become known to us. nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #115

I have to saw that the openness ellie Apr 2013 #145

You know, the first thing a Police State does... brooklynite Apr 2013 #122

Or, if we really lived in a police state Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2013 #126

That is fucking stupid. morningfog Apr 2013 #143

oh stop already Skittles Apr 2013 #2

Seriousley? William769 Apr 2013 #3

I lived in East Germany gopiscrap Apr 2013 #8

Still a major fail and you should know it. William769 Apr 2013 #9

I call bullshit nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #10

Perhaps you are living with Control-Z Apr 2013 #26

Bullshit nt Crabby Appleton Apr 2013 #32

I have spent extended time in 'police states' and no one who has grantcart Apr 2013 #38

Spot on madokie Apr 2013 #103

The process does have to start somewhere. nt avebury Apr 2013 #123

Really? moondust Apr 2013 #62

Then you are really being dumb treestar Apr 2013 #111

We might want to consider that every Police State had to avebury Apr 2013 #124

. longship Apr 2013 #5

Police state... sarisataka Apr 2013 #7

Well it certainly doesn't mean having the highest incarceration rate on the fucking planet n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #15

No incarceration needed. William769 Apr 2013 #20

Just because there are worse police states does not mean America isn't headed in that direction Fumesucker Apr 2013 #24

As someone who is retired from law enforcement we will just have to agree to disagree. nt William769 Apr 2013 #28

At the current rate of incarceration one in three black males will go to prison in their lifetime Fumesucker Apr 2013 #34

Now your injecting race into the equation. William769 Apr 2013 #40

It was a simple and straightforward question Fumesucker Apr 2013 #45

And it was a simple & straight forward answer. William769 Apr 2013 #47

When you are worse than SA under Apartheid there's a large problem Fumesucker Apr 2013 #63

Are you serious? malaise Apr 2013 #99

Would you say no knock warrants are over used for drug offenses? newmember Apr 2013 #42

I can only speak of what I did. William769 Apr 2013 #43

But you must have read about the many cases newmember Apr 2013 #48

I do have an opinion William769 Apr 2013 #52

Why is this not the time nor place to discuss it? n/t cui bono Apr 2013 #95

thank you, I agree gopiscrap Apr 2013 #131

You do have a excellent point there... midnight Apr 2013 #22

It doesn't... sarisataka Apr 2013 #25

The *most* "punishment oriented" legal system on the fucking planet and getting worse by the day Fumesucker Apr 2013 #36

Things we do not have: sarisataka Apr 2013 #41

I actually would be in favor of public executions if we have to have executions Fumesucker Apr 2013 #65

I am in agreement sarisataka Apr 2013 #67

What you're saying does not align itself with history. MineralMan Apr 2013 #110

That was then sarisataka Apr 2013 #136

I'm not sure about that. I doubt that human psychology MineralMan Apr 2013 #137

You have a valid point sarisataka Apr 2013 #138

"crimes that never occurred for the money spent" -- balance that with crimes committed by HiPointDem Apr 2013 #66

What is so clear sarisataka Apr 2013 #68

Punishment oriented or profit oriented? bluedigger Apr 2013 #55

Lately sarisataka Apr 2013 #59

There is always profit for someone, but punishment is applied with greater discretion. bluedigger Apr 2013 #61

Saristaka: Yes Hekate Apr 2013 #91

+1 treestar Apr 2013 #114

That is because of the laws we have treestar Apr 2013 #112

Perfection. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #16

Per-Fect. Cha Apr 2013 #56

No spoilers! freshwest Apr 2013 #72

.. Cha Apr 2013 #82

The police did their job bhikkhu Apr 2013 #11

If you think this is a police state, you've never lived in one. aquart Apr 2013 #12

Here they don't even bother to tell you to stop Fumesucker Apr 2013 #18

A pic of a Boston street earlier today newmember Apr 2013 #58

The closest I've seen to that photo in a neighborhood is when I played with my GI Joes rightsideout Apr 2013 #74

Blows your mind to see this in a street in America newmember Apr 2013 #81

Most of what you see is defensive for their own protection FarCenter Apr 2013 #98

I think you might want to ask a brother or two about that. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #19

It's easy to spot those who have never been profiled by the cops, isn't it? n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #39

I haven't been profiled, but I know there is more than one America BlueStreak Apr 2013 #44

Yes, publicly funded services are an indication of a social democracy. Fascist police states, no. freshwest Apr 2013 #80

All right. I'll listen. Tell me what a police state is, and why America is one. nolabear Apr 2013 #13

Particularly as it applies to this case. Nine Apr 2013 #108

All of it specially the massive amount of "police" type gopiscrap Apr 2013 #132

Seriously, STFU Narkos Apr 2013 #14

Does your mail get forwarded OK from Derpville? zaireeka Apr 2013 #17

Police State ? no newmember Apr 2013 #21

Why do you stay? Lex Apr 2013 #23

I am an American Citizen gopiscrap Apr 2013 #27

You are a real asset to this country. It just shines through. nt Lex Apr 2013 #29

Yes, wonder what country he took asylum from. Lovely. freshwest Apr 2013 #78

Take off the -et and I think you've hit the nail on the head davidpdx Apr 2013 #106

I'll bite... sarisataka Apr 2013 #31

at the time this nation was colectively gopiscrap Apr 2013 #35

Leave then nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #113

that's the exact response gopiscrap Apr 2013 #129

How did your parents get out of East Germany, Tanuki Apr 2013 #119

both had powerful connections gopiscrap Apr 2013 #128

Disgusting. (nt) Control-Z Apr 2013 #33

Do you think those of us who came out of vaginas in the US should have to earn it? n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #50

Anyone who wants to do anything with my vagina has to earn it! cui bono Apr 2013 #96

Win! n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #118

You fit right in with all the other woman-haters in the US. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #64

Yes, I hope you don't mind, but I'm memorializing that right here where it was called out: freshwest Apr 2013 #79

Not a surprise that "some one's vagina" (your term) wanted to expel you onenote Apr 2013 #104

You know as a natural born citizen that is extermely offensive davidpdx Apr 2013 #105

Great question! Control-Z Apr 2013 #30

Do you think hfojvt Apr 2013 #70

You may have a point damnedifIknow Apr 2013 #37

There ARE problems, but mischaracterizing them looks like propaganda about Big Brother and, hence, patrice Apr 2013 #46

You're a very good writer in some ways and have an outstanding vocabulary Fumesucker Apr 2013 #71

What price are you willing to pay for what you think needs to be done? What price should others pay? patrice Apr 2013 #86

What makes you believe I think the ends justify the means? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #92

Those who object to the term "police state" had better come up with a very convincing explanation BlueStreak Apr 2013 #49

LOL. this is not a police state... yawnmaster Apr 2013 #51

The 19-year-old adult (sic) is somehow lucky it was Boston and not Moscow... Amonester Apr 2013 #53

I'd like to see your opinion of U.S. participation in a U.N. treaty to control the flow of assault patrice Apr 2013 #54

Oh, hey, exactly 3 hours have gone by and no response to your question! Hekate Apr 2013 #93

You're not raining on my parade or anyone I know of in Boston Cha Apr 2013 #57

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #60

You need to spend a few weeks in a real police state. Zax2me Apr 2013 #69

"The term electronic police state describes a state in which the government aggressively HiPointDem Apr 2013 #73

The unfortunate question to ask is.... defacto7 Apr 2013 #75

Look how easy it was to shut down Boston and get 100% compliance davidn3600 Apr 2013 #76

What parody. There's always Somalia. No police and no state. Just warlords. Paradise. We either run freshwest Apr 2013 #77

watch this newmember Apr 2013 #83

Alternative? that is . . . a SUCCESSFUL alternative? patrice Apr 2013 #87

Tell us you wouldn't be here complaining just as much if they had not caught the alleged criminal. patrice Apr 2013 #88

wha? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #84

Wrong wrong wrong Onlooker Apr 2013 #85

I'm not listening to anyone who says fuck about a "police state" who's also fine with UNREGULATED patrice Apr 2013 #89

YES!!!!!!! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #140

'Unclear on the concept' is the least-profane thing I can say of your OP Hekate Apr 2013 #90

So which country would you hold up as an example we could aspire to. jambo101 Apr 2013 #94

Iceland. Sweden, Norway, Denmark gopiscrap Apr 2013 #130

Such a silly post. Inkfreak Apr 2013 #97

It's stream-of-consciousness posting! randome Apr 2013 #116

clue.. DCBob Apr 2013 #100

Are you serious? JCMach1 Apr 2013 #101

My, we seem to have a bunch of expoerts on the police state here. 1 simple question. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #102

Your observation is correct. Every country that became a police avebury Apr 2013 #127

thank you this is what I wanted gopiscrap Apr 2013 #133

Republicanism is stupid. n/t gulliver Apr 2013 #107

AGREED gopiscrap Apr 2013 #135

You sound surprized..... daleanime Apr 2013 #109

" Rain on parade" ?? jessie04 Apr 2013 #117

The reactions to this post are worrisome. Dash87 Apr 2013 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author ksoze Apr 2013 #125

THANK YOU! WELL SAID gopiscrap Apr 2013 #134

It looked creepy as hell. LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #139

Similarly, the problem with the Miranda Rights thing is ... BlueStreak Apr 2013 #144

Sorta off topic but, something one of the talking heads said caught me ... Myrina Apr 2013 #121

Yup and worse yet, cops get away crime all the time gopiscrap Apr 2013 #141

It's not a "police state" simply because it has police. baldguy Apr 2013 #142