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davidpdx

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83. The OP assumes his guilt, but can't definitely prove it. That's a flaw in his argument

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:12 AM

Apr 2013

Like I said, I wouldn't have said what he did in the way he did it. I'm glad the guy was caught and I'm pretty sure they got the correct person (I'm not going to state whether he's guilty or not because that's the job of a jury). No matter what I believe he should get medical care first and foremost. Once he is able to, I believe they should Mirandize him and give him the option of talking or asking for a lawyer.

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Poll_Blind could give less of a shit about the exact moment he's read his Miranda rights. [View all] Poll_Blind Apr 2013 OP

No... Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #1

Yup. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #3

No... randome Apr 2013 #5

If they don't mirandize him, they can't use anything he says to prosecute him Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #11

Exactly. Some think using the exemption is equivalent to waterboarding or something. randome Apr 2013 #18

Do you wonder why people have that perception of law enforcement so often? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #61

Far more people have a good encounter with LE than suffer abuse. randome Apr 2013 #91

I've had both very good and absolutely horrible experiences with LE myself Fumesucker Apr 2013 #93

+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #44

I don't see the point of not giving them BainsBane Apr 2013 #2

It jeopardizes the prosecution...IN AN EPISODE OF MATLOCK. In this case, in THIS case... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #7

There is a SCOTUS-approved 48 hour exemption for public safety reasons. randome Apr 2013 #10

okay, so the exemption means they can question him BainsBane Apr 2013 #20

Apparently they cannot use anything he says against him during this period. randome Apr 2013 #22

That's what I figured BainsBane Apr 2013 #27

Cite it. You think it exists so you should be able to settle this quickly. cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #32

You already saw the Quarles link but here it is again. randome Apr 2013 #45

You win! dems_rightnow Apr 2013 #87

Explain how? Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #71

I could. It's about preserving rights- and not just his. cali Apr 2013 #4

IMO, there are scores of victims in the hospital right now who are more deserving. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #13

I find it disgusting that you are using that kids photo in such a manner. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #17

Dead Eight Year Old > His Murderer. Deal with it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #31

That suspect has rights and priveleges afforded to him. One of them is innocence... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #34

You didn't read my OP: The guy may not even be conscious yet. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #37

Your OP has nothing to do with your gross exploitation of that childs photo. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #41

Still didn't bother to read my OP. It's not arguing for his deprivation of rights, it's... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #46

Again, not talking about your OP. I'm talking about your disgusting use of that child's photo. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #50

Eat it. On ignore forever. If you knew how short that list was, you'd feel special. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #53

Like I give a single shit. Have a great life. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #59

there certainly are, but cali Apr 2013 #23

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #38

A lot of people cannot comprehend what you just said... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #39

prosecution and rights are about us as a people BainsBane Apr 2013 #24

I have no compassion for him. His soul is lost. But we obey the laws for all our sakes. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #19

Very well stated, Honeycombe8 suffragette Apr 2013 #95

I agree, Cali. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #21

No one here knows him. He may be every bit a monster as the acts he perpetrated. randome Apr 2013 #26

Perhaps, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #63

There is a public safety exception rom Miranda penalties under certain circs Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #75

Same people who complain about torture MaineLinePhilly Apr 2013 #6

what a horridly ironic post. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #12

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #40

"At least there is symmetry". - Zathrus n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #73

His rights will be read Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #15

I have no doubt that they will. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #35

whatever is done to allow me to continue having freedoms RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #49

Wow. Apophis Apr 2013 #57

FR's hamster died again. freshwest Apr 2013 #74

sorry but that is just sick Skittles Apr 2013 #58

Snort Solly Mack Apr 2013 #92

And I bet they even didn't run to give blood to help save their victims. Amonester Apr 2013 #8

Well, that speaks volumes about poll_blind cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #9

Exactly ~ add Zorra to the rolls of those could give less of a shit. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #14

I give a shit this "exception" appears to be broad policy. DirkGently Apr 2013 #16

I am not talking about broad policy, I am talking about the unusual FIXATION as to... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #28

It matters when we modify civil protections over terrorism. DirkGently Apr 2013 #42

Fuck the 5th Amendment! 'Murika! Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #25

Didn't read my message. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #29

I do. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #30

Did you read my op? This guy may not even be conscious yet. That's the point. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #33

If a person is unable to respond then the question is moot. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #36

We do NOT disagree. My point was there have been a flurry of articles... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #43

I think you called it by "clock watching". Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #52

Clock watching- while not taking into account they guy is probably unconcious. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #62

I would assume there is a pre-determined point. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #66

Do let me know when it's all about Poll_Blind, would you? flvegan Apr 2013 #47

All that matters for me is the law. GitRDun Apr 2013 #48

I'm saying the guy is probably not even CONSCIOUS to respond to whether they've been read at all. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #51

I think 48 hours starts when he is able to answer questions. nt GitRDun Apr 2013 #60

+1 Zorra Apr 2013 #65

Yes, that is the same point I've been making davidpdx Apr 2013 #80

all of his rights should be respected markiv Apr 2013 #54

Didn't read my OP. Of course they should be respected, and they will be. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #56

It's astounding how naive the average American is with regard to the justice system. Zorra Apr 2013 #55

I have to agree. As you and I think at least one other person pointed out, people... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #64

Yes, and besides, this is the crown jewels for both the DA .and the FBI Zorra Apr 2013 #69

Cute that you think it hilarious, but can you answer this? cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #67

Only helps if he's conscious to acknowledge. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #68

In this case, they don't want to. The public safety exception makes it so they are not required to. Zorra Apr 2013 #70

Rights apply to all or they apply to none. That is why I give a flying fuck. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #72

+1 LAGC Apr 2013 #76

And this applies to all: they have 48 hours with no Miranda to figure out if there are others Recursion Apr 2013 #78

I find this OP hurtful, over-the-top and otherwise inappropriate, snot Apr 2013 #77

I think if you get past the harshness of his post & read through the entire thing it does make sense davidpdx Apr 2013 #81

Thank you for your courteous reply. snot Apr 2013 #82

The OP assumes his guilt, but can't definitely prove it. That's a flaw in his argument davidpdx Apr 2013 #83

Agreed. snot Apr 2013 #88

One thing I don't think many people are considering is how badly he may have been hurt davidpdx Apr 2013 #79

The danger is the precedent. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #84

When they arrested this guy, from what I read, he was basically half dead. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #85

And provided it doesn't result in people who aren't half dead getting their rights late that's fine. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #86

"This particular guy" is an American citizen Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #89

Not on the grounds you give treestar Apr 2013 #90

Law is not about this or any "particular guy", whenever it does it is eroded. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #94