General Discussion

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)

84. The danger is the precedent.

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:36 AM

Apr 2013

No, delaying reading this guy his rights is unlikely to have any negative effects *if it doesn't set a precedent*.

The reason it's a cause for concern is that it risks making it more likely that other people don't get their rights read, and a slippery slope.

But *if* it stops here then it's probably not much of a problem. That's a big "if", though.

Click here to purchase valentine hearts!

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

95 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Poll_Blind could give less of a shit about the exact moment he's read his Miranda rights. [View all] Poll_Blind Apr 2013 OP

No... Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #1

Yup. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #3

No... randome Apr 2013 #5

If they don't mirandize him, they can't use anything he says to prosecute him Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #11

Exactly. Some think using the exemption is equivalent to waterboarding or something. randome Apr 2013 #18

Do you wonder why people have that perception of law enforcement so often? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #61

Far more people have a good encounter with LE than suffer abuse. randome Apr 2013 #91

I've had both very good and absolutely horrible experiences with LE myself Fumesucker Apr 2013 #93

+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #44

I don't see the point of not giving them BainsBane Apr 2013 #2

It jeopardizes the prosecution...IN AN EPISODE OF MATLOCK. In this case, in THIS case... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #7

There is a SCOTUS-approved 48 hour exemption for public safety reasons. randome Apr 2013 #10

okay, so the exemption means they can question him BainsBane Apr 2013 #20

Apparently they cannot use anything he says against him during this period. randome Apr 2013 #22

That's what I figured BainsBane Apr 2013 #27

Cite it. You think it exists so you should be able to settle this quickly. cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #32

You already saw the Quarles link but here it is again. randome Apr 2013 #45

You win! dems_rightnow Apr 2013 #87

Explain how? Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #71

I could. It's about preserving rights- and not just his. cali Apr 2013 #4

IMO, there are scores of victims in the hospital right now who are more deserving. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #13

I find it disgusting that you are using that kids photo in such a manner. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #17

Dead Eight Year Old > His Murderer. Deal with it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #31

That suspect has rights and priveleges afforded to him. One of them is innocence... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #34

You didn't read my OP: The guy may not even be conscious yet. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #37

Your OP has nothing to do with your gross exploitation of that childs photo. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #41

Still didn't bother to read my OP. It's not arguing for his deprivation of rights, it's... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #46

Again, not talking about your OP. I'm talking about your disgusting use of that child's photo. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #50

Eat it. On ignore forever. If you knew how short that list was, you'd feel special. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #53

Like I give a single shit. Have a great life. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #59

there certainly are, but cali Apr 2013 #23

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #38

A lot of people cannot comprehend what you just said... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #39

prosecution and rights are about us as a people BainsBane Apr 2013 #24

I have no compassion for him. His soul is lost. But we obey the laws for all our sakes. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #19

Very well stated, Honeycombe8 suffragette Apr 2013 #95

I agree, Cali. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #21

No one here knows him. He may be every bit a monster as the acts he perpetrated. randome Apr 2013 #26

Perhaps, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #63

There is a public safety exception rom Miranda penalties under certain circs Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #75

Same people who complain about torture MaineLinePhilly Apr 2013 #6

what a horridly ironic post. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #12

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #40

"At least there is symmetry". - Zathrus n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #73

His rights will be read Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #15

I have no doubt that they will. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #35

whatever is done to allow me to continue having freedoms RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #49

Wow. Apophis Apr 2013 #57

FR's hamster died again. freshwest Apr 2013 #74

sorry but that is just sick Skittles Apr 2013 #58

Snort Solly Mack Apr 2013 #92

And I bet they even didn't run to give blood to help save their victims. Amonester Apr 2013 #8

Well, that speaks volumes about poll_blind cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #9

Exactly ~ add Zorra to the rolls of those could give less of a shit. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #14

I give a shit this "exception" appears to be broad policy. DirkGently Apr 2013 #16

I am not talking about broad policy, I am talking about the unusual FIXATION as to... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #28

It matters when we modify civil protections over terrorism. DirkGently Apr 2013 #42

Fuck the 5th Amendment! 'Murika! Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #25

Didn't read my message. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #29

I do. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #30

Did you read my op? This guy may not even be conscious yet. That's the point. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #33

If a person is unable to respond then the question is moot. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #36

We do NOT disagree. My point was there have been a flurry of articles... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #43

I think you called it by "clock watching". Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #52

Clock watching- while not taking into account they guy is probably unconcious. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #62

I would assume there is a pre-determined point. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #66

Do let me know when it's all about Poll_Blind, would you? flvegan Apr 2013 #47

All that matters for me is the law. GitRDun Apr 2013 #48

I'm saying the guy is probably not even CONSCIOUS to respond to whether they've been read at all. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #51

I think 48 hours starts when he is able to answer questions. nt GitRDun Apr 2013 #60

+1 Zorra Apr 2013 #65

Yes, that is the same point I've been making davidpdx Apr 2013 #80

all of his rights should be respected markiv Apr 2013 #54

Didn't read my OP. Of course they should be respected, and they will be. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #56

It's astounding how naive the average American is with regard to the justice system. Zorra Apr 2013 #55

I have to agree. As you and I think at least one other person pointed out, people... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #64

Yes, and besides, this is the crown jewels for both the DA .and the FBI Zorra Apr 2013 #69

Cute that you think it hilarious, but can you answer this? cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #67

Only helps if he's conscious to acknowledge. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #68

In this case, they don't want to. The public safety exception makes it so they are not required to. Zorra Apr 2013 #70

Rights apply to all or they apply to none. That is why I give a flying fuck. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #72

+1 LAGC Apr 2013 #76

And this applies to all: they have 48 hours with no Miranda to figure out if there are others Recursion Apr 2013 #78

I find this OP hurtful, over-the-top and otherwise inappropriate, snot Apr 2013 #77

I think if you get past the harshness of his post & read through the entire thing it does make sense davidpdx Apr 2013 #81

Thank you for your courteous reply. snot Apr 2013 #82

The OP assumes his guilt, but can't definitely prove it. That's a flaw in his argument davidpdx Apr 2013 #83

Agreed. snot Apr 2013 #88

One thing I don't think many people are considering is how badly he may have been hurt davidpdx Apr 2013 #79

The danger is the precedent. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #84

When they arrested this guy, from what I read, he was basically half dead. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #85

And provided it doesn't result in people who aren't half dead getting their rights late that's fine. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #86

"This particular guy" is an American citizen Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #89

Not on the grounds you give treestar Apr 2013 #90

Law is not about this or any "particular guy", whenever it does it is eroded. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #94