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octothorpe

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30. Yeah, you're right... I forgot about that part when I was posting..

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:30 AM

Apr 2013

Although, I don't know for sure if the baby was heard crying. I don't recall reading that in any official documents, at least not recently. But because of the closeness of this case to my family, I've heard stories about it for years and I recall being told that. But either way, it's still an interesting/hard question about if it's considered murder just because the baby was cut out moments before killing it vs being stabbed while still in the womb. At least it's difficult for me to come up with a simple answer without questioning my logic. (I often time have debates with myself in my head)

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Should murderers be charged with two counts of murder if they murder a pregnant woman? [View all] octothorpe Apr 2013 OP

Only if woman had decided to have the pregnancy go forward? KittyWampus Apr 2013 #1

That's pretty much how I view it... octothorpe Apr 2013 #3

Read the Supreme Court decision, Casey v. Planned Parenthood. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #20

I'm 100% in agreement with that... octothorpe Apr 2013 #40

Yes. The law has to be consistent, but when rights conflict, JDPriestly Apr 2013 #44

I'm not in disagreement with a woman's right to choose at all. octothorpe Apr 2013 #49

If it is viable outside the womb, sure. Quantess Apr 2013 #2

That sounds like a reasonable standard.... Pelican Apr 2013 #17

That's my opinion, if it's viable outside the womb NotThisTime Apr 2013 #56

No. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #4

Even if the baby was wanted and viable? octothorpe Apr 2013 #6

Yes. Unless one could prove that the fetus was intended victim, I suppose... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #12

The point of wanting to be able to convict someone of murder for something like this? octothorpe Apr 2013 #13

I don't think it's hypocritical, per se, but it is an emotionally based decision and the reason Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #42

No. Apophis Apr 2013 #5

No idwiyo Apr 2013 #7

no, but it should be an aggravating circumstance cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #8

In this case the murderer cut the fetus out of her... octothorpe Apr 2013 #10

slippery slope mercuryblues Apr 2013 #23

I read all sorts of crazy stories when I was looking more into the laws... octothorpe Apr 2013 #35

No. haikugal Apr 2013 #9

No. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #11

Depends on the mothers intent... Volaris Apr 2013 #14

I tend to agree with you on that davidpdx Apr 2013 #15

The issue of abortion comes in that people will try to use it charge women who get abortions with octothorpe Apr 2013 #34

agree. the tougher question is WHAT that charge should be. Volaris Apr 2013 #59

No..... FarPoint Apr 2013 #16

Well that's kinda my problem with it... octothorpe Apr 2013 #33

Well we are all entitled to our feelings.... FarPoint Apr 2013 #36

I guess it's a good thing I'm not a judge, because this would drive me crazy... octothorpe Apr 2013 #37

One can always process such experiences with a trained therapist. FarPoint Apr 2013 #39

You're right and I recognized this in my original post... octothorpe Apr 2013 #41

The case you described is not a good example for the question you're asking... surrealAmerican Apr 2013 #18

Yeah, you're right... I forgot about that part when I was posting.. octothorpe Apr 2013 #30

The story sounds rather contrived. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #46

Why would you say that? octothorpe Apr 2013 #48

You answered your own question. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #19

Honestly this sounds so much like an urban legend. Nine Apr 2013 #21

Not an urban legend at all. octothorpe Apr 2013 #27

Then I think your personal connection to the case is made up. Nine Apr 2013 #51

What do you base this on? octothorpe Apr 2013 #52

No. 99Forever Apr 2013 #22

No MadrasT Apr 2013 #24

No. no_hypocrisy Apr 2013 #25

No. A fetus should not be thought of as having the same rights as a person. Dash87 Apr 2013 #26

No StopTheNeoCons Apr 2013 #28

No. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #29

No...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #31

No. nt City Lights Apr 2013 #32

How about a different charge of forced termination of a pregnancy or some such thing? TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #38

I would go both ways on that. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #57

These laws have been on the books for decades in many states. redqueen Apr 2013 #43

Thanks for your input :) octothorpe Apr 2013 #53

No n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #45

No treestar Apr 2013 #47

yes, but it shouldn't matter. ileus Apr 2013 #50

No. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #54

Until the child is outside and breathing or the cord is cut. NO LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #55

That's what seems to make the most sense to me. octothorpe Apr 2013 #58