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octothorpe

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37. I guess it's a good thing I'm not a judge, because this would drive me crazy...

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:54 AM

Apr 2013

I dunno, I've been in a situation of losing a wanted baby and I know what's like. It was devastating for me and even more for the mother. She went into a depression and we ended up growing further apart (she is fine now, she moved on, got married and had some kids) I can only imagine it must be worse for someone who basically had it taken from them unwillingly. There should at least be something extra or a special charge for situations like these. Although, even that raises questions on proving if the assaulter knew the woman was pregnant. Would it matter how far along in the pregnancy?

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Should murderers be charged with two counts of murder if they murder a pregnant woman? [View all] octothorpe Apr 2013 OP

Only if woman had decided to have the pregnancy go forward? KittyWampus Apr 2013 #1

That's pretty much how I view it... octothorpe Apr 2013 #3

Read the Supreme Court decision, Casey v. Planned Parenthood. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #20

I'm 100% in agreement with that... octothorpe Apr 2013 #40

Yes. The law has to be consistent, but when rights conflict, JDPriestly Apr 2013 #44

I'm not in disagreement with a woman's right to choose at all. octothorpe Apr 2013 #49

If it is viable outside the womb, sure. Quantess Apr 2013 #2

That sounds like a reasonable standard.... Pelican Apr 2013 #17

That's my opinion, if it's viable outside the womb NotThisTime Apr 2013 #56

No. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #4

Even if the baby was wanted and viable? octothorpe Apr 2013 #6

Yes. Unless one could prove that the fetus was intended victim, I suppose... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #12

The point of wanting to be able to convict someone of murder for something like this? octothorpe Apr 2013 #13

I don't think it's hypocritical, per se, but it is an emotionally based decision and the reason Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #42

No. Apophis Apr 2013 #5

No idwiyo Apr 2013 #7

no, but it should be an aggravating circumstance cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #8

In this case the murderer cut the fetus out of her... octothorpe Apr 2013 #10

slippery slope mercuryblues Apr 2013 #23

I read all sorts of crazy stories when I was looking more into the laws... octothorpe Apr 2013 #35

No. haikugal Apr 2013 #9

No. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #11

Depends on the mothers intent... Volaris Apr 2013 #14

I tend to agree with you on that davidpdx Apr 2013 #15

The issue of abortion comes in that people will try to use it charge women who get abortions with octothorpe Apr 2013 #34

agree. the tougher question is WHAT that charge should be. Volaris Apr 2013 #59

No..... FarPoint Apr 2013 #16

Well that's kinda my problem with it... octothorpe Apr 2013 #33

Well we are all entitled to our feelings.... FarPoint Apr 2013 #36

I guess it's a good thing I'm not a judge, because this would drive me crazy... octothorpe Apr 2013 #37

One can always process such experiences with a trained therapist. FarPoint Apr 2013 #39

You're right and I recognized this in my original post... octothorpe Apr 2013 #41

The case you described is not a good example for the question you're asking... surrealAmerican Apr 2013 #18

Yeah, you're right... I forgot about that part when I was posting.. octothorpe Apr 2013 #30

The story sounds rather contrived. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #46

Why would you say that? octothorpe Apr 2013 #48

You answered your own question. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #19

Honestly this sounds so much like an urban legend. Nine Apr 2013 #21

Not an urban legend at all. octothorpe Apr 2013 #27

Then I think your personal connection to the case is made up. Nine Apr 2013 #51

What do you base this on? octothorpe Apr 2013 #52

No. 99Forever Apr 2013 #22

No MadrasT Apr 2013 #24

No. no_hypocrisy Apr 2013 #25

No. A fetus should not be thought of as having the same rights as a person. Dash87 Apr 2013 #26

No StopTheNeoCons Apr 2013 #28

No. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #29

No...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #31

No. nt City Lights Apr 2013 #32

How about a different charge of forced termination of a pregnancy or some such thing? TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #38

I would go both ways on that. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #57

These laws have been on the books for decades in many states. redqueen Apr 2013 #43

Thanks for your input :) octothorpe Apr 2013 #53

No n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #45

No treestar Apr 2013 #47

yes, but it shouldn't matter. ileus Apr 2013 #50

No. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #54

Until the child is outside and breathing or the cord is cut. NO LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #55

That's what seems to make the most sense to me. octothorpe Apr 2013 #58