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1. Innocent until proven guilty is how our government should act.

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Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:12 PM

Apr 2013

It is not about the general populace, who will naturally form opinions and voice them.

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What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?? [View all] ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 OP

Innocent until proven guilty is how our government should act. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #1

Innocence presumed ONLY during presentation of evidence during a trial kysrsoze Apr 2013 #28

Ah excuse me but in legal circles there was quite a bit of furor over truedelphi Apr 2013 #45

Your diatribe doesn't change the legal definition of presumed innocence kysrsoze Apr 2013 #52

Good point, but subtle. n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #69

They confessed to the guy they stole the SUV from. GitRDun Apr 2013 #2

We should assume nothing - and most media coverage is slewed. ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #9

I agree we should assume "facts" can be proven wrong. GitRDun Apr 2013 #22

So what the SUV guy says is engraved in granite? Cleita Apr 2013 #53

If you read my post I did not say anything was etched in granite... GitRDun Apr 2013 #56

the part where they started tossing bombs of similar manufacture to those used CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #3

+1 Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #8

Being caught red-handed doesn't change the rights of the accused. After all, we DO WinkyDink Apr 2013 #12

NOT suggesting they are innocent. ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #15

Have the two been sentenced while we weren't looking? X_Digger Apr 2013 #70

"The public ... has no duty to maintain a presumption of innocence" ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #71

Gee I dunno, you think some people here are letting their emotions Rex Apr 2013 #4

Oh, true enough, and I'm usually the first to point out the Internet bit. But HYPOCRISY WinkyDink Apr 2013 #14

He will get a trial Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #5

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal term Marrah_G Apr 2013 #6

I think he's the criminal, but when I heard the COPS call him "the killer" and "the perp," well, WinkyDink Apr 2013 #21

cops have used those terms in practice since before you were born marions ghost Apr 2013 #101

See, it's like you're pretending these dudes were just picked up off the street for no reason. Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #7

Guess what? Those "facts" aren't, until established in a court of law. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #20

so should he be let go until "facts" are established beyond a reasonable doubt in a courtroom? onenote Apr 2013 #76

What point are you trying to make? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #10

Right-wing demagoguery ( and liberal trepidation) happened. marybourg Apr 2013 #11

Did something happen to it? n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #13

You even put 'suspect' in parentheses? Really? Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #16

yes, - really ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #27

Why do you (and others) seem convinced there has to be more behind this? octothorpe Apr 2013 #32

Cool! A conspiracy theorist! Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #35

You didn't address the possibility of accomplices in your OP Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #39

You're mixing up a protocol for conducting legal proceedings with a general principle alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #17

^^^^ Iggo Apr 2013 #36

seen this more than once - ^^^^ ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #94

Those are "arrows" pointing up to the post above it. Iggo Apr 2013 #102

Never expected so much participation in my thread ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #95

I shouldrephrase: it really is a general way of behaving, but there are different proof levels alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #100

+1 NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #99

"Innocent until proven guilty"??? Not on DU. L0oniX Apr 2013 #18

It depends on the case, sadly. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #23

Please, come down off your cross Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #25

Please get out of grade school soon. L0oniX Apr 2013 #44

He's innocent until groven guilty about the bombings Drale Apr 2013 #19

I'm not on the jury. nt MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #24

Did you miss something? 99Forever Apr 2013 #26

What exactly are you taking issue with? octothorpe Apr 2013 #29

Taking issue - you bet ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #38

Innocence until guilt is proven should be supported in the public. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #30

nobody's getting together a lynch mob RILib Apr 2013 #31

Maybe poor Dzhokhar was just spaced on some X and the chronic, wandered off, and Zorra Apr 2013 #33

Maybe you missed where the 2 asses got into several firefights with police? jmg257 Apr 2013 #34

You need to read the news more often ksoze Apr 2013 #37

Well we KNOW they are guilty of a few things for sure: murdering a police officer riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #40

What more proof do you need??? FarCenter Apr 2013 #41

That's why the words... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #42

Massachusetts abolished the death penalty in 1947 ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #54

The Feds can. bluedigger Apr 2013 #59

More likely than not... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #66

You missed the part where we set up torture camps for innocents just1voice Apr 2013 #43

And of course, now those innocents can be us. truedelphi Apr 2013 #46

I did't miss gitmo , nor the "extraordinary renditions" ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #48

February 1972? Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #83

You are correct, 1992 ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #86

he is at least guilty of carjacking and shooting at cops scheming daemons Apr 2013 #47

He's suspected of those crimes. He has not been proven guilty in a court of law. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #49

Not only that but he is an American citizen, so even if our government has no respect Cleita Apr 2013 #50

Videotape. Video recordings. Innocent until proven is a legal term anyway. Zax2me Apr 2013 #51

Innocent until proven guilty became a legal term precisely because it is philosophically important. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #55

I'm from MA, an hour from Boston, and I assure you, "Innocent til proven guilty." is alive and well. mother earth Apr 2013 #57

Silly Canadian... Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #58

That be me! ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #64

We're going to be passing through your country next month Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #78

" In fact, I think Alaska should be a Canadian province" - hmmm ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #79

Haven't seen Sarah in ages. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #80

Can she see Russia from there? ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #82

'Innocent until proven guilty' relates to the ground rules of our legal system... Princess Turandot Apr 2013 #60

The theory is this.. SoCalDem Apr 2013 #61

Remember this guy? ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #67

They get a trial here too, but public opinion being what it is SoCalDem Apr 2013 #68

" it's pretty much a foregone conclusion" ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #72

You're confusing the court system and the law enforcement marshall Apr 2013 #62

It's where it's always been - in the courtroom, not outside it. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #63

I'm not in the jury or in the courtroom for his trial - I can speculate. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #65

conviction in court of public opinion upheld!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #73

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ARGUING THAT DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV IS INNOCENT Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #74

And when the evidence is presented to the jury that will be the standard to which it is held. Codeine Apr 2013 #75

"Did I miss something?" yes. you did. du is not a court of law. that simple. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #77

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From a legal standpoint he is innocent until proven guilty. DCBob Apr 2013 #84

So we should let the child murdering, blower off of legs, little fuck walk without bond...maybe? alphafemale Apr 2013 #85

Nope - definitively do not let him walk, - no bail. ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #87

as such he will be spared the drip...drip....drip of death. alphafemale Apr 2013 #93

The court of public opinion is incapable of finding someone guilty by the rule of law. joshcryer Apr 2013 #88

You missed the fact that DU is not a court of law. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #89

Really! - I DID miss that, silly me! ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #90

I agree. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #92

He will get a fair trial but all that means is it won't go well for him.nt BootinUp Apr 2013 #91

Because he's guilty, right? whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #96

Note to alerter and jury. ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #97

"there has been no trial yet, or even charges laid-" HE'S IN THE F##$ING HOSPITAL!!! stlsaxman Apr 2013 #98