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42. There were hundreds of police, and they spend all day searching a dozen streets.

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Assuming this all accurate, is this ok when searching for a fugitive? [View all] nessa Apr 2013 OP

Boston didn't mind. egduj Apr 2013 #1

What? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #8

yeah judge. how do you you know that? did you interview every bostonian? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #86

No. Just from what Boston DUers are saying. egduj Apr 2013 #88

you are still here? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #89

Exigency circumstances. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #2

It's not legal if the police didn't see the suspect run into your house. reformist2 Apr 2013 #9

Take it to a court. It might clarify the limits nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #12

Yes it is gcomeau Apr 2013 #44

No. Once the officers inside had cleared them for exit notadmblnd Apr 2013 #3

They didn't know if there were additional accomplices. gcomeau Apr 2013 #6

I guess I have a problem with authorities treating everyone notadmblnd Apr 2013 #23

Please think that through. gcomeau Apr 2013 #45

No, they wern't asked. They were ordered notadmblnd Apr 2013 #53

Yes, THAT makes all the difference here. gcomeau Apr 2013 #54

I'd tell them I already searched my home. reformist2 Apr 2013 #55

And they'd know... gcomeau Apr 2013 #56

Balony, it can't be both notadmblnd Apr 2013 #57

In what fantastical imaginary land gcomeau Apr 2013 #58

Their motive for entering was to apprehend a criminal- notadmblnd Apr 2013 #61

IT WAS BOTH gcomeau Apr 2013 #65

Have you ever seen aftermath vids of a shooting scene? Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #68

Yes gcomeau Apr 2013 #4

Weren't they being ordered out of their home? Bay Boy Apr 2013 #5

Of course they were! gcomeau Apr 2013 #11

Check out this thread... DonViejo Apr 2013 #7

Constitutionality aside, the media is kind of lying by saying everyone "cooperated." reformist2 Apr 2013 #10

If 'everyone' means 99% of Bostonians, I think we can live with that discrepency. randome Apr 2013 #15

4th Amendment Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #13

Exigent circumstances and a hot pursuit. gcomeau Apr 2013 #18

Where is the "hot pursuit" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #19

They followed him into the neighborhood. gcomeau Apr 2013 #43

Pointing automatic weapons at innocent people and forcing them from their homes NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #21

Engage your brain. gcomeau Apr 2013 #41

So your answer is that this tactic is OK? NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #60

Perfectly ok gcomeau Apr 2013 #63

The pursuit is meant for a specific dwelling, not an entire neighborhood. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #66

Disagree all you want. gcomeau Apr 2013 #67

We are not arguing concrete topics such as mathematics or science NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #69

unreasonable is the key word. Everything law enforcement did was 100% reasonable. graham4anything Apr 2013 #24

So, if the cops thought the guy might be hiding it in Des Moines they could start invading houses? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #29

They didn't invade DesMoines. They were spot-on in the radius. and 100% correct. graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

But, under your rubric it would be OK to violate the 4th Amendment anywhere. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #36

When there is a hostage situation graham4anything Apr 2013 #40

Were there hostages in that house? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #48

have a nice day. graham4anything Apr 2013 #49

Nope that is not exigent circumstance SpartanDem Apr 2013 #77

In a public emergency, people were told to leave the house with their hands up and were frisked. randome Apr 2013 #14

Gotta love the public emergency clause - all our rights go out the window. LOL reformist2 Apr 2013 #20

That's as it should be. I don't hear Bostonians complaining about any of this. randome Apr 2013 #22

I'm sure that emergency responders running into a home after an earthquake - NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #30

Irrelevant. You don't shoot an earthquake. You MAY need to shoot a dangerous suspect. randome Apr 2013 #59

Trained in Iraq and Afghanistan. Downwinder Apr 2013 #16

I'm sure you have a dossier on Boston police and Massachusetts National Guardsman handy, right? randome Apr 2013 #17

Somebody needs to be held accountable. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #25

Yeah, well, you're simply BETTER than we are, I guess. randome Apr 2013 #27

Yeah... gcomeau Apr 2013 #46

+1. And the kicker is, the police didn't even find the suspect - a civilian did! reformist2 Apr 2013 #52

+1 Apophis Apr 2013 #73

If the person said it was OK to enter, it was perfectly fine. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #26

People just outside the perimeter were angry the police did NOT search their houses frazzled Apr 2013 #28

I have a friend whose home got searched. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #32

Illegal searches like this aren't too far from rape, imo. reformist2 Apr 2013 #35

It. Wasn't. Illegal. -eom gcomeau Apr 2013 #47

It wasn't exigent circumstance either ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #72

Wow! I'm guessing someone broke the tenant limit on that rental. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #31

Great job...that's what I think... nenagh Apr 2013 #33

I'm only seen one good use of Exigency circumstances regarding entry. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #37

Something Does Not Add Up Here - What's The Source of the Video? dballance Apr 2013 #38

There were hundreds of police, and they spend all day searching a dozen streets. reformist2 Apr 2013 #42

So you think they should have searched faster? randome Apr 2013 #64

no problem with it Marrah_G Apr 2013 #39

If this is of the frogmarch Apr 2013 #50

I feel safer already. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #51

If you were in charge, how would you have handled finding the fugitive? randome Apr 2013 #62

It's real good what they done. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2013 #70

From what I have heard, Exigent Circumstances were not invoked ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #71

My friend indicated that he didn't have a choice. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #74

The gouge on this is all over the map ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #75

There's also the fact that so many different law enforcement depts/agencies were on the search. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #76

Here is another thread on this ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #78

I'll try to ask my friend for more details. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #79

Put up your hands and leave your Constitutional rights inside! NickB79 Apr 2013 #80

Oh FFS that's #14 Willow court. Here's the story. Iterate Apr 2013 #81

Totally irrelevant.... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #83

But they did knock on the door. Iterate Apr 2013 #84

That was a wonderfully written argument (seriously) for nothing at all. Let's review... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #85

I've spent most of my life on your side of the argument. Iterate Apr 2013 #87

Disgusting. Unless they had a warrant these officers should all be looking for new jobs.... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #82