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Fumesucker

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52. There are a great many laws in this country that aren't remotely rational

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

Apr 2013

And we have hundreds of thousands of people in prison and millions more whose life has been ruined due to those irrational laws.

I'm not putting myself in the position of giving permission to police to come in my home because then anything they find become admissible evidence against me if I should happen to be breaking one of those irrational laws and by no means am I saying that I am doing so.

Fix the laws, that includes laws that allow police to legally lie about what they are doing in the course of their interaction with the public, and I would be happy to invite them in.

In my mind police are a necessary evil and should be kept on a very tight leash by civilian authority, we all know that's not the case in many places in this country.

It's a problem so old that there is a Latin phrase to describe it.. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?

In far too many communities in America there is no one watching the watchers and we all know it.

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I think anyone who objects to their house being searched by cops looking for terrorists [View all] Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 OP

I don't often agree with you but on this point I do. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #1

Idiocy. whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #2

How Democratic of you n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #3

Yeah, I recall that being in the Dem platform for 2012 Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #6

How about if it was just a run of the mill murderer? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #8

"Oh, Fumesucker, pipe down. It's not like your loved one Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #9

What would you say? "No, I don't care about run of the mill murderers being caught"? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #13

I could spit from one end of my home to the other longways if I really tried hard Fumesucker Apr 2013 #19

So you're saying you would cooperate with them muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #24

I would not let them in my home, if that's what you are asking Fumesucker Apr 2013 #37

I'm establishing that you are willing to cooperate in the interest of the community muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #41

There are a great many laws in this country that aren't remotely rational Fumesucker Apr 2013 #52

Is it reasonable to say you prefer this libertarian stance to the Democratic one, then? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #60

As I said, I'll be happy to allow a search once the laws are made rational Fumesucker Apr 2013 #61

You could try paying attention to the news muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #64

I pay zero attention to local news, don't even have a TV, no radio, don't read the paper Fumesucker Apr 2013 #66

It's a question of if you think freeloading is fine, I guess muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #68

I've already said I would be happy to cooperate if the laws were rational Fumesucker Apr 2013 #72

Your objectiuon to 'irrational' laws seems beside the point muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #75

They can't if you don't give permission now Fumesucker Apr 2013 #79

And they would know you were doing that... gcomeau Apr 2013 #34

I would not consent to them searching my home, period Fumesucker Apr 2013 #38

And then most likely they would search it anyway ..... oldhippie Apr 2013 #54

Yeah, I'm sure they would Fumesucker Apr 2013 #56

If you have nothing to hide Go Vols Apr 2013 #63

I know right! nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #7

It starts by repeating it, over and over again, woo me with science Apr 2013 #35

Maybe the dumbest post today. Seriously. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #4

You kind of missed the point. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #11

your post reminds me of when a guys house caught fire and the fire dept wouldnt put it out leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #17

Ugly, huh. woo me with science Apr 2013 #36

! Bucky Apr 2013 #86

Especially one known to at that moment, be on the run treestar Apr 2013 #5

This brings to mind another ignore list. rug Apr 2013 #10

+1 LAGC Apr 2013 #15

I agree we pay WAY too much homage gopiscrap Apr 2013 #47

Then you're letting them get the last word. randome Apr 2013 #30

You're right. rug Apr 2013 #57

If there were any terrorists in my house... hunter Apr 2013 #12

Your post doesn't surprise me at all Hugabear Apr 2013 #14

You are right. It is amazing isn't it? Just like sheep. Then they will wonder why southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #27

Indeed, the propaganda is getting "in your face" and creepy. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #28

Back when the Redcoats were searching Boston door to door Triloon Apr 2013 #16

Are you comparing two terrorists to Boston patriots of the late 1770's? nt boston bean Apr 2013 #18

They were "terrorists" according to the legally constituted authority at the time Fumesucker Apr 2013 #20

And??? I don't think I like the implication? These two terrorists boston bean Apr 2013 #23

Do you disagree with what I said about the legally constituted authority at the time or not? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #59

What the British were doing was actually illlegal. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #80

American cops do that all the time and the government itself is not unknown to do so. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #82

Warrantless searches, 'all the time'? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #84

I passed some car on the highway a few months ago with three cruisers around it and stuff strewn Fumesucker Apr 2013 #85

No, no, not at all. Triloon Apr 2013 #76

Or anyone's who's ever pled the fifth. Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #21

My goodness it amazes me how willing you are to go like a sheep. Whatever happened at southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #22

No kidding gopiscrap Apr 2013 #49

I agree as long as they are professional about it. avebury Apr 2013 #25

Those who would trade the short term illusion of safety for their rights deserve neither ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #26

How surprising. woo me with science Apr 2013 #29

You�re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist tralala Apr 2013 #31

Democrats are usually pretty serious about civil rights/liberties...usually... pipoman Apr 2013 #32

Civil rights yes, civil liberties not so much Fumesucker Apr 2013 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author JVS Apr 2013 #33

Okay, so I am not trying to ruffle feathers on my first post on this form, okay, but let me ask you HighSpringsFL Apr 2013 #39

What are you trying to say about the people of Boston? ellisonz Apr 2013 #69

Biggest fail of a post I've seen all day. Apophis Apr 2013 #40

Fuck it. Why even give them a choice? MrSlayer Apr 2013 #42

What would happen if someone was on vacation or just not at home. texanwitch Apr 2013 #45

That's my point. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #48

My dog would have went crazy trying to protect me. texanwitch Apr 2013 #51

Is that how civil liberties are supposed to work? aikoaiko Apr 2013 #43

I think that's a simplistic LWolf Apr 2013 #44

I'm one of those easy going types that pretty much respect police officers LeftInTX Apr 2013 #46

If you are punished for exercising your rights kudzu22 Apr 2013 #50

Most people are sheep ...... oldhippie Apr 2013 #53

Fear works neverforget Apr 2013 #55

Who cares about the constitution. Do whatever you want W. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #58

Absolutely! And there should be CCTV cameras in EVERY room in EVERY house constantly idwiyo Apr 2013 #62

After all, it's for our protection! n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #65

Think how easy it would be to solve crimes! And to prove an alibi! idwiyo Apr 2013 #70

If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear!! reformist2 Apr 2013 #67

What the hell is this crap? RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #71

no. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #73

I don't object to my house being searched. Bring a warrant signed by a judge and I will be more than NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #74

So I couldn't use services my tax money pays for, because I won't waive my 4th amendment rights? Kurska Apr 2013 #77

Fuck that. Bonobo Apr 2013 #78

What a stupid and inflaming way to frame it. morningfog Apr 2013 #81

Ridiculous. n/t Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #83

I love these tough solutions to problems that don't exist. Bucky Apr 2013 #87

I suppose when they want to put a chip in EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2013 #88

Yep. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. jsr Apr 2013 #89

I think you might have accidentally posted this on the wrong forum. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #90