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Angry Dragon

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23. How far are we to let religions curtail the rights of others??

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:19 AM

Feb 2012

Is a church forced to hire people, are churches forced to run hospitals, are churches forced to provide charity for others?? If churches decide to operate in the secular society then they need to abide of the laws of the secular society. Is this fair?? In my mind it is.

According to your line of reasoning I should be allowed to enter into any church and practice my religion without regards to what religion is practised there. I help pay for it through my taxes.

Once they take government money then they HAVE to follow the laws of the land or they are free to turn the money back.

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Why so upset over Birth Control Coverage, Catholic Church? [View all] HockeyMom Feb 2012 OP

They want to tell the government what to do with (their???) tax dollars, but zbdent Feb 2012 #1

Um...not quite.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #3

the fact that churches don't pay taxes is why I put "their" in (their???) as I did ... zbdent Feb 2012 #9

why should a church get to pick and choose KatyMan Feb 2012 #11

That pesky little first amendment to the Constitution joeglow3 Feb 2012 #14

What does that have to do with it? KatyMan Feb 2012 #24

There is a ministerial exception Sgent Feb 2012 #30

This isn't about individual beliefs SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #32

By exempting religious organizations from certain laws csziggy Feb 2012 #55

Read up joeglow3 Feb 2012 #57

Churches don't recieve federal funds Sgent Feb 2012 #31

It has to do with the government curtailing religious practices meow2u3 Feb 2012 #2

So are you saying we should be tolerant enough to tolerate intolerance? Major Nikon Feb 2012 #4

Making Catholic organizations USE birth control fifthoffive Feb 2012 #5

This is not a violation of the First Amendment..... matmar Feb 2012 #6

It does inhibit the free exercise of religion SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #17

This does not force the "Church" to do anything. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #19

The Catholic church provides health insurance to employees because it's the right thing to do SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #20

Is that what their choice should be?? JoePhilly Feb 2012 #21

I'll ask my friend SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #27

Mark my words, in 2014 when the mandate sets in, even the Catholic Church will stop offering ins riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #22

It will still cost employers money SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #28

Pfft, a paltry $2000. I read one estimate that more than 60% of companies plan on dropping health riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #39

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #44

Au contraire, there's some who predict that it will lead to single payer riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #46

You're free to have that opinion SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #47

They can stop taking federal funding. PassingFair Feb 2012 #26

For the umpteenth time SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #29

oh BS! mysuzuki2 Feb 2012 #7

This has nothing to do with accepting federal cash SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #16

There are all sorts of laws interfering with free exercise of a religion. For instance, bigamy. uppityperson Feb 2012 #48

There are laws SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #49

Treat their children when they are ill (Jehovah's Witnesses) or face child abuse charges riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #51

Every example you cited SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #56

So? I believe offering birth control insurance coverage is for the greater good riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #58

Great way of putting it. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #12

That depends on how you define "Catholic organizations" MNBrewer Feb 2012 #18

How far are we to let religions curtail the rights of others?? Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #23

I agree, the logic of the argument makes no sense. Johonny Feb 2012 #37

You're right SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #38

Or should a Jewish woman's insurance deny her coverage mmonk Feb 2012 #34

If she's working for a Catholic organization SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #35

A purely religious organization isn't required to. mmonk Feb 2012 #52

Why should who they serve SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2012 #54

I think it has to do with the insurance exchange. mmonk Feb 2012 #59

If they do not want the use of birth control, then they need to provide for all the newborn babies. jillan Feb 2012 #8

Claim an unproveable fact as true. Nice strategy. joeglow3 Feb 2012 #15

They are upset because every sperm is sacred Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #10

The requirement to provide contraception coverage hedgehog Feb 2012 #13

The ban would apply more to the teachers than the secretary HockeyMom Feb 2012 #53

If they provide Insurance, they have to follow Insurance rules. Lil Missy Feb 2012 #25

Complete and utter stupidity. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #33

The church wants more catholics Johonny Feb 2012 #36

that might make sense logically, unless you look at what the anti-choice Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #41

because GOD DOESN'T WANT YOU FUCKING FOR FUN!!!! Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #40

I disagree. I don't think it's accidental that it feels so good! 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #42

neither do I. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #43

This is why I have a card in my wallet that states I am NEVER to be Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #45

This is a question of control, not morality. Can the church control what is available to you lindysalsagal Feb 2012 #50