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116. It gets rather confusing

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:33 AM

Apr 2013

There seems to be several different agendas on DU. Some believe our current laws are fine, they just need to be properly enforced. Some want to see more laws put in place, while some just want more "common sense" laws. Some want certain guns banned, those being "assault weapons", while others want a complete confiscation of ALL guns.

The problem is those promoting confiscation cannot tell us how they expect to rid the illegal gun population and somehow think taking away the law abider's guns will do the trick. Yes I can just see it now, criminals lining up at police stations all over the country to surrender their guns. Yeah, like that's gonna happen, right?

I do always find it funny when someone says "nobody is talking about taking your guns away" or "nobody is going to take your guns away". There are many here talking about and wanting to do just that. Whether they will be successful in their agenda to disarm law abiders to be left at the mercy of the law breakers, is another story.

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DEAR AMERICA: Here's Why Everyone Thinks You Have A Problem With Guns [View all] xchrom Apr 2013 OP

K&R 99Forever Apr 2013 #1

The gun strokers will be pissed as hell when they can't pimp out the car death stats anymore. morningfog Apr 2013 #2

...."is an extremist or a fucking idiot" etherealtruth Apr 2013 #6

Both. And DU is crawling with them. Crunchy Frog Apr 2013 #18

Yup. The gun nuts are swarming DU. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #34

B-but, but, SWIMMING POOLS!! Robb Apr 2013 #3

Yeah, who cares about drowning deaths? sylvi Apr 2013 #81

All the people who pass laws regulating swimming pools do lolly Apr 2013 #94

And yet 137 children sylvi Apr 2013 #96

Okay, 38,000 died in gun homicides BainsBane Apr 2013 #99

"False equivalency"? sylvi Apr 2013 #115

No--people aren't willing to accept it lolly Apr 2013 #118

Let me know when your city requires a six-foot fence around every gun, and we'll talk. Robb Apr 2013 #120

How many concealed swimming pool permits are given out annually? cui bono Apr 2013 #103

Get back to me when a swimming pool is used in a road rage incident to kill someone. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #136

The daily death toll marions ghost Apr 2013 #4

K&R Progressive dog Apr 2013 #5

k&r... spanone Apr 2013 #7

k/r marmar Apr 2013 #8

The NRA is a Distributor of Radical Domestic Terrorism Tools and Methodology. nt onehandle Apr 2013 #9

There are certainly some easy measure we can take hack89 Apr 2013 #10

Running audits on gun manufactures by the ATF to see who they are selling to. RC Apr 2013 #19

The ATF needs to be quadrupled in size. hack89 Apr 2013 #30

I'm sure those wholesalers and government agencies are the big problem... n/t bobclark86 Apr 2013 #39

Your #4 would also create space in prisons for #2..nt Bigmack Apr 2013 #31

There are too many non-violent people in prison because of stupid drug laws. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #33

So.... what does that have to do with the price of tomatoes? nt rdharma Apr 2013 #46

Go read the post I was answering. I was merely agreeing with it. hack89 Apr 2013 #55

It's not hard to see that you are purposely trying to confuse apples with oranges....... rdharma Apr 2013 #57

And I never said it did. hack89 Apr 2013 #59

Good! rdharma Apr 2013 #60

Getting single payer is not "easy." However, a person can easily get rid of their guns. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #68

Certainly people have the freedom to make that choice hack89 Apr 2013 #71

It's always easier to stomp on a liberty sylvi Apr 2013 #75

And what liberty is being stomped on here? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #76

Sorry, I misread your post sylvi Apr 2013 #77

6. Allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers. cui bono Apr 2013 #104

Lawsuits against gunmakers, and a realistic chain of liability for gun owners av8rdave Apr 2013 #110

You can sue gun manufacturers hack89 Apr 2013 #114

K&R newfie11 Apr 2013 #11

While I Completely Agree Easy Access to Any Kind of Gun is a Real Problem... dballance Apr 2013 #12

We were a much more laid back society back then HockeyMom Apr 2013 #22

We have some of our lowest murder rates in 100 years hack89 Apr 2013 #36

I don't buy that, but I think you're on the right track... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2013 #26

I Think You May Have Mis-Understood Me. I Agee w/ You - I'm Saying We Had Media, Role-Playing... dballance Apr 2013 #35

While I don't believe a videogame or a movie sylvi Apr 2013 #79

Probably a combination of things pipoman Apr 2013 #27

I grew up like you... CanSocDem Apr 2013 #53

They get coordination, critical motor skills, pipoman Apr 2013 #97

America is truly an exceptional nation. Flashmann Apr 2013 #13

Well presented facts and graphs... ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2013 #14

ditto cleduc Apr 2013 #25

Like the photo above, the problem starts with the indoctrination of firearms to children. no_hypocrisy Apr 2013 #15

The only way to solve this problem is to collect all the guns. Too many are stolen every year.... Logical Apr 2013 #16

Gun owners are told here that no one is coming to take our guns. hack89 Apr 2013 #38

You're very perceptive! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #48

So you think you will take away my guns? Ok. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #56

No jack booted thugs are going to take your guns...... rdharma Apr 2013 #58

Gun confiscation will never happen in America. I know that. hack89 Apr 2013 #62

"I agree that gun confiscation will never happen." rdharma Apr 2013 #65

And perhaps you can correct some of the more enthuisatic gun controllers hack89 Apr 2013 #66

Sorry! I just can't find your imaginary bogeymen! nt rdharma Apr 2013 #87

Here, let me help hack89 Apr 2013 #88

Help me find that quote! rdharma Apr 2013 #89

First post in this sub-thread. hack89 Apr 2013 #90

Post #? rdharma Apr 2013 #95

Now you are really being silly. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #107

It gets rather confusing OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #116

If ANY legislator proposes to CONFISCATE GUNS, please send me a DU mail........ rdharma Apr 2013 #132

I don't know if it's actually "in the works" OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #133

I'll await your DU mail when/if that happens! rdharma Apr 2013 #134

With all due respect - OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #135

psssst DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #54

No. It's a FACT! rdharma Apr 2013 #91

Define qualified and define what happens WRT the "unqualified". Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #112

Fm 4473 nt rdharma Apr 2013 #131

BURGLARS are Coming For Your Guns When You're Not Home AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #63

I have two sturdy safes. One for guns and one for ammo. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #64

Naturally the take away from learning 339,000 BainsBane Apr 2013 #98

I support gun control with the exception of gun bans. hack89 Apr 2013 #108

I said precisely what I meant BainsBane Apr 2013 #109

So it is a purity test you are looking for hack89 Apr 2013 #113

Well we just love our freedom more than everone else. Crunchy Frog Apr 2013 #17

And I find it bizarre pipoman Apr 2013 #20

we can force car manufacturers to put seat belts and air bags in cars mountain grammy Apr 2013 #21

Double Amen gopiscrap Apr 2013 #40

I don't see how a "safety feature" would help... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #43

Yes, no doubt medicare for all would help, but guns are still a problem. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #52

Amen brother! justhanginon Apr 2013 #23

This is what happens nineteen50 Apr 2013 #24

All facts first mentioned in Bowling for Columbine BUT needed to be restated/updated diabeticman Apr 2013 #28

I wonder if these numbers include death by WAR GUNS. nt valerief Apr 2013 #29

They do include pipoman Apr 2013 #41

Yeah, but do they include WAR? Just wondering. nt valerief Apr 2013 #74

No, this is on US soil...pretty sure.. pipoman Apr 2013 #80

Makes sense. So it's even MORE Americans dead/injured from guns. nt valerief Apr 2013 #84

Depends on the context of the word "from".. pipoman Apr 2013 #86

Those are other crimes usually of oppression. Guns kill. Killing is a separate crime. nt valerief Apr 2013 #119

People kill...for many reasons... pipoman Apr 2013 #127

If you want to change America's gun violence, see this thread. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #32

Uggh. If you want to see gunners whine go there. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #42

Cooperation =|= bending over aikoaiko Apr 2013 #45

Manchin and Toomey did a shitload of cooperation, all for nothing. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #67

Manchin and Toomey was too little too late. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #69

OFFS. Reid never pushed the AWB. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #72

The AWB was voted on as an amendment and failed. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #78

Exactly. The AWB was not inextricably linked to background checks. Which proves my point. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #82

That is dishonest bullshit BainsBane Apr 2013 #111

And yet the gun control legislation failed and you think its just the NRA to blame. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #117

Gun owners aren't the problem BainsBane Apr 2013 #122

LOL. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #124

Sure, laugh BainsBane Apr 2013 #126

Who's your model of compromise and good will? Wayne LaPierre? (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #128

Evidently it's claiming the bill in congress failed BainsBane Apr 2013 #130

Good will BainsBane Apr 2013 #129

K&R SunSeeker Apr 2013 #37

Hey, why no cars cvoogt Apr 2013 #44

first, you must take self inflicted deaths DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #47

Here you go.... HOMICIDE WITH GUNS IN US..... rdharma Apr 2013 #49

"Unintentional" deaths in US with guns rdharma Apr 2013 #50

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #61

Why? What difference does it make? BainsBane Apr 2013 #101

These people don't even care about their own kids Most people won't let their kids play with matches judesedit Apr 2013 #51

cars are safer than ever before, humans are still emotional creatures. yawn. nt galileoreloaded Apr 2013 #70

The Democrats really need to take a stand against guns. Apophis Apr 2013 #73

K&R Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #83

Find it most curious indeed that firearm deaths trended upward from the gipper's early reign indepat Apr 2013 #85

There's a correlation between violent crime and Republican social/fiscal policy Recursion Apr 2013 #105

And because teachers are such lazy asses and haven't taught us how to read... VPStoltz Apr 2013 #92

This just reminds me of EC Apr 2013 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Apr 2013 #100

Yeah, but other countries probably give you your chicken wings when you order them. cui bono Apr 2013 #102

The majority of violent deaths are drug related as well madville Apr 2013 #106

1,100 is not the majority of 11,078. Robb Apr 2013 #121

Two America's One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #123

i think gun violence is also a womens issue -- a big one. xchrom Apr 2013 #125