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3. When "we" let Republicans control the terms of debate...

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:34 AM

Apr 2013

This is what happens.

When "we" try to play nice and aknowledge some merit in the other's side's viewpoints (even when there is none) so as to seem "fair":

This is what happens.

When "we" don't vigorously make the case for the historical and economic data that proves and shows time and again that progressive economic policies benefit the entire country and make the economy stronger:

This is what happens.

Republican obstructionism or not, fillibuster or not, our elected Democratic politicians should have been out there calling bullshit on this manufactured deficit hysteria from day one. But much like the Irag war they instead chose to cower and instead chose to try and win the love and affection of beltway "centrists" and the "serious" people in DC. And now we are all paying the price.

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KRUGMAN: On "Permanent Class Of Jobless Americans"-"Let�s be clear: this is a policy decision." [View all] kpete Apr 2013 OP

It's not just foolish. It's vicious, and greedy and cruel and immoral. woo me with science Apr 2013 #1

It is economic treason. Occulus Apr 2013 #66

If you dig to the root of every single conservative economic policy it's always cheap labor n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #2

Yeah, it's not *just* racism that makes "the party of Lincoln" hate Lincoln n/t nxylas Apr 2013 #17

I agree, and that's why labor rights and the labor movement are so important. senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #79

It's the fact that we allow a handful of CEOs and board members to make decisions fasttense Apr 2013 #84

Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Apr 2013 #93

When "we" let Republicans control the terms of debate... vi5 Apr 2013 #3

This is not a psychological problem. woo me with science Apr 2013 #4

No argument from me.... vi5 Apr 2013 #6

So we spin our wheels "battling corporate money", wheres the votes? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #35

That's BS. vi5 Apr 2013 #50

It looks like you're a veritable expert on BS so I'll defer. You just keep xtraxritical Apr 2013 #54

Good retort. vi5 Apr 2013 #67

+1000 Of course it's B.S. woo me with science Apr 2013 #57

It's just incredible the number of trolls and dinos here, I'll stick with BS on you. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #69

obama had a democratic majority when he took office. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #60

Yes. And much too much of this woo me with science Apr 2013 #62

I notice that chervilant Apr 2013 #92

^^ THIS ^^ n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #7

+100. antigop Apr 2013 #11

+10000000000! n/t Triana Apr 2013 #13

I've been saying this for some time now Plucketeer Apr 2013 #16

We have a systemic problem of corporate money in EVERYthing that we need to fix. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #18

I agree 100% hifiguy Apr 2013 #43

Bingo! sikofit3 Apr 2013 #47

I call it the everything for profit model & it's going to destroy everything CrispyQ Apr 2013 #48

Bingo! daleanime Apr 2013 #55

+100000 Yes. woo me with science Apr 2013 #65

I so agree! NT juajen Apr 2013 #82

Yes yes yes yes yes! AlbertCat Apr 2013 #19

Diagnosis is 100% accurate. Now how to cure disease? on point Apr 2013 #20

Step one.. Term limits.. SomethingFishy Apr 2013 #37

Great post. woo me with science Apr 2013 #58

Disagree on Term Limits Martin Eden Apr 2013 #78

Woo, you hit the nail on the head. dotymed Apr 2013 #39

+1000. closeupready Apr 2013 #44

+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #63

Is it just GREEED, or does IDEOLOGY also play a large part in this? Martin Eden Apr 2013 #77

Agree Cliff Arnebeck Apr 2013 #5

The Washington Villagers all go to the same cocktail parties... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #53

Bingo! ctsnowman Apr 2013 #90

X 1000 ctsnowman Apr 2013 #89

It is leading to a suicide epidemic... OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #8

Reading at the link. Sad. L0oniX Apr 2013 #23

This is exactly what the 1%ers want hifiguy Apr 2013 #45

Exactly. They want most of us dead. The majority of us. LiberalLoner Apr 2013 #49

It will only get worse. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #88

expect no help from the dem party on this issue. KG Apr 2013 #9

No. Dems will only SLOW the regression, not stop or reverse it. closeupready Apr 2013 #46

The business class fears full employment because it gives workers too much power. The bosses byeya Apr 2013 #10

IMHO, the desired rate of unemployment among the super-rich is beyond 6%. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #22

IMO, you are correct but as a fig leaf to federal law, the Fed claims to be aiming at 6%. byeya Apr 2013 #25

Neither party has any intention of fixing the problem because duffyduff Apr 2013 #12

It's a no-brainer ... but somehow deficits are taking a priority, even though ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #14

Austerity = jobs lost = less revenue = more austerity = more jobs lost = less revenue = more aust... L0oniX Apr 2013 #15

High levels of UE allow the currency to be inflated without creating hyper-inflation Yavin4 Apr 2013 #21

People need to understand that monopolistic capital enterprises - who swing the most political byeya Apr 2013 #27

Maybe we should stop rewarding companies that offshore abelenkpe Apr 2013 #24

This "fear of debt" only started in the year 2008 Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #26

It also started with the election of Clinton byeya Apr 2013 #29

It started with the stagnation of the economy in Japan. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #41

as well as the end of the "WAR ON TERROR" Cosmocat Apr 2013 #87

Oh, I've believed this for some time. If there is high unemployment, there are lower wages Cleita Apr 2013 #28

I agree with you. Incrementalism doesn't work when you're talking about major shifts in byeya Apr 2013 #31

I think it needs to be longer and crippling. Cleita Apr 2013 #32

"A day or two of unpaid leave" was tongue in cheek. You are correct that people of good will byeya Apr 2013 #38

A general strike is a very powerful tool for getting WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2013 #75

What causes countries to devolve into chaos and poverty and caste systems? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #30

W/O detracting from the points you made, I would say the heirs of the WalMart fortune and NOT more byeya Apr 2013 #33

True. But even if they are more capable, and some are, then they are a part of society JDPriestly Apr 2013 #42

Amen to that. Humans are social beings and create societies and as much as the over-weathy byeya Apr 2013 #71

They still need workers and this is where the underclasses have strength if they Cleita Apr 2013 #34

This is a terrible policy decision that was created because the midnight Apr 2013 #36

K&R Meanwhile Obama is taking this golden opportunity to push for his pet, Chained CPI MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #40

Obama Proposal Gives Americans A Pathway Back to Work ProSense Apr 2013 #51

Since you are bringing up Krugman in this context . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #68

Actually, ProSense Apr 2013 #70

BOTH parties support massive increase in 'guest workers' RIGHT NOW markiv Apr 2013 #52

yes, they just voted for a massive increase in h1bs too HiPointDem Apr 2013 #61

and it's global florida08 Apr 2013 #56

big kr HiPointDem Apr 2013 #59

This is an important OP. "This is a POLICY DECISION." woo me with science Apr 2013 #64

Krugman is a main stream economist and a good one and it's been fun watching him learn byeya Apr 2013 #73

There wasn't much talk of debt when Bush and his minions were LibDemAlways Apr 2013 #72

K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #74

I like secondvariety Apr 2013 #76

Wow. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #91

The monied interests that own this country and DC are eating just fine, thank you. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #80

Yeah, but that leisure extraordinaire could be short lived... Amonester Apr 2013 #81

K/R yep. nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #83

du rec. nt xchrom Apr 2013 #85

Actually it's one of the lies that perpetually annoys me. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #86

Kicking for this important issue. n/t area51 Apr 2013 #94