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DonViejo

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Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:02 AM Apr 2013

Are the Tsarnaev brothers white? [View all]


Whatever their racial status, they seem to resemble young American mass murderers more than al-Qaida members

BY JOAN WALSH


In the wake of David Sirota’s hot-button essay last week, “Let’s Hope the Boston Marathon Bomber Is a White American,” conservatives swarmed to trash Sirota and Salon. I’m not here to defend or criticize Sirota’s piece – I get in enough trouble on these issues myself — but the storm it provoked was revealing, especially once we learned the identity of the two suspects: Tamarlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, ethnic Chechens who grew up in Russia and came legally to the U.S., who were also Muslim.

Hate mail and punditry targeting Salon and Sirota declared that Sirota was not only morally wrong in hoping the terrorists would turn out to be white — but that he was proven spectacularly incorrect, because the Tsarnaev brothers are not white. “Sorry David Sirota, looks like Boston Bombing suspects are not ‘white Americans,’” wrote the folks at Newsbusters. “Is David Sirota crying uncontrollably because the Boston bombers weren’t whites??” one conservative emailed Salon. There was a lot of other email in the same tedious vein.

But are we sure the Tsarnaevs aren’t white? They are quite literally Caucasian, as in from the Caucuses: Rebecca Eisenberg helps with this handy map. And ethnically in this country, we count Americans of Russian descent, as well as Chechens, as white. Dzhokhar was a naturalized American citizen; Tamarlan had applied for citizenship but reportedly didn’t get it because of FBI concerns about his possible ties to Islamic radicals.

So why are the Tsarnaev brothers not white, at least to right-wingers? Is it only because they’re Muslim? Muslim immigrants? Or is it because they’re “bad,” and whiteness must be surrendered when white people are bad?

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http://www.salon.com/2013/04/22/are_the_tsarnaev_brothers_white/
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Why are people so obsessed with this? What does skin color have to do with anything? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #1
Because when Timothy McVeigh committed a terrorist act treestar Apr 2013 #26
I'm not sure how OJ fits in here Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #34
The labels that seem to be sticking are foreign and muslim. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #2
Lone Wolves RobinA Apr 2013 #32
There are some unanswered question that leave those topics open ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #36
They look like Jesus probably looked. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2013 #3
Not really, Jesus was a Nazarene. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #24
Of course they are white. They are whiter than me and whiter than most americans. CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #4
Origin of the term "Caucasian" Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 #9
Assuming their ancestors haven't migrated to the Caucasion Mts, they are the whitest people byeya Apr 2013 #10
Fanaticism is not defined by religion, race, or country of origin. n/t Avalux Apr 2013 #5
But it can be encouraged by organized groups that are defined by categories. Kablooie Apr 2013 #11
I love that cat clip on your post! nt avebury Apr 2013 #13
You can just hear the cat going ... Kablooie Apr 2013 #17
I doubt such a nuanced defintion of the word white was being used The2ndWheel Apr 2013 #6
White as defined in your first paragraph is EXACTLY what was meant. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #12
then be surprised. I was thinking more along the lines of Dylan/Kliebold, magical thyme Apr 2013 #16
Harris, Klebold, McVeigh, etc aren't Caucasus white though The2ndWheel Apr 2013 #28
but I don't think you got my point magical thyme Apr 2013 #43
What makes the authors think Al Qaeda terrorists are any different? Recursion Apr 2013 #7
Yes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #8
Racist -- and not-so-racist -- Russians would say no. Brickbat Apr 2013 #14
Both sides of this issue got something. Beacool Apr 2013 #15
What the fuck does it really matter?? B2G Apr 2013 #18
They have curly hair and big noses, so they are not really white. FarCenter Apr 2013 #19
These kinds of discussions definitely prove that color isn't what defines color lately. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #20
"because of FBI concerns about his possible ties to Islamic radicals" KamaAina Apr 2013 #21
People trying to label them anything just come across looking bad. reformist2 Apr 2013 #22
"Because the world H2O Man Apr 2013 #23
Being Muslims treestar Apr 2013 #25
That's the Crux of It RobinA Apr 2013 #37
True. I imagine Pam Geller is happy about this. She can continue her anti-Muslim tirades while pampango Apr 2013 #41
They are LITERALLY Caucasian librechik Apr 2013 #27
And the twisting that Joan is going through looks painful B2G Apr 2013 #29
I Didn't Think RobinA Apr 2013 #39
Muslims represent the whole human rainbow Warpy Apr 2013 #30
The whole purpose of the "being white" has nothing to do with skin color. It's about motivation. hughee99 Apr 2013 #31
+1000 B2G Apr 2013 #33
Just curious Separation Apr 2013 #35
I work with several Bosnians and Albanians NickB79 Apr 2013 #38
Of course they are. The word Caucasian comes from the Caucasus area where they are from. Cleita Apr 2013 #40
If "real" white people apply any descriptor when referencing the brothers Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #42
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