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BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
106. Thank you!
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:51 PM
Apr 2013

I've seen some of the brutality carried out by police against modern day protesters. It's horrible. But it used to be worse. And there used to be far more bigotry among federal and local law enforcement and far more willingness to use lethal force. Which shows, not that they are allies (yet), but that they can change.

Actually I shudder at the idea of CIA agents as allies. I know more than most about what they are and what they do. It's not that I think it would be 'nice'. I don't think it's nice at all. But I do think it's necessary. They've spent decades disrupting and destroying our movements. They're very practiced at it. Very good at it.

If we can't get their rank and file to question what their appointed bosses and the masters of their appointed leaders (the rich and powerful) are doing I don't know if we can get anywhere in the world. I think we need them to change. They like facts (as do I actually) they like threat assessments. They like realpolitik, not idealism. So maybe it's time for us to take in a dose of realpolitik ourselves, to be able to discuss issues from a more practical, survival-oriented standpoint.

One thing I wonder is, does their hierarchy consider merit, or are the politicians careful to only appoint heads of these agencies from the wealthy? Either way, though, I think it's vital to at least try. These guys aren't our friends. I'm not saying activists should start a 'take a fed out for drinks' night movement. I am saying we need to start understanding precisely how they think, and then we need to be able to have a dialogue within that framework.

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Police State in Watertown [View all] bigtree Apr 2013 OP
+1. Awesome, 'tree. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #1
Nobody's forgetting that DC wrote itself around the Constitution & Bill of Rights, blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #56
-1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #60
Oh, no! Is he going to throw those jugs at the children? Oh, no! nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #2
Good job!!! greytdemocrat Apr 2013 #3
I love it. TwilightZone Apr 2013 #4
Judging from his facial expression, he's not pleased jakeXT Apr 2013 #5
I read it as a look of slight confusion... Earth_First Apr 2013 #12
He could have just sneezed. blackspade Apr 2013 #35
Hey, milk is heavy! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #37
Did you ever think that maybe he's just tired? CanonRay Apr 2013 #61
Not used to lifting anything heavier than a donut. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #64
Who gives a shit? WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #67
What should he be pleased about? mzmolly Apr 2013 #69
So what's your point? n/t FourScore Apr 2013 #81
Is this for real? morningfog Apr 2013 #6
I agree RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #13
Do you want it to feel 'normal'? randome Apr 2013 #15
Can't argue with that, lol RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #18
Didn't mean to come across angry, BTW! randome Apr 2013 #23
Not at all! RedCappedBandit Apr 2013 #24
But soon it will feel normal. zeemike Apr 2013 #25
Damn! How depressing! randome Apr 2013 #27
Well sorry...but I feel depressed about it. zeemike Apr 2013 #34
Not around here. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #30
Well I am happy for you then. zeemike Apr 2013 #32
Still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? aquart Apr 2013 #65
What victory? zeemike Apr 2013 #68
And people in the Boston area are just about the LAST ones who would trade security for liberty n/t Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #33
So every time there's a terrorist bomb in a crowd, what would you have the authorities do? Hekate Apr 2013 #52
It is not about them it is about us. zeemike Apr 2013 #59
So what would you have the authorities do? Hekate Apr 2013 #76
Honer the constitutional provisions... zeemike Apr 2013 #77
+10000 "Honor the Constitutional provisions." woo me with science Apr 2013 #101
Awesome! Lucinda Apr 2013 #7
Boston is awesome in so many ways! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #8
+1,000 freshwest Apr 2013 #47
Oh You! Cha Apr 2013 #9
Got my rec DainBramaged Apr 2013 #10
But...but...she asked for 2%!!!! randome Apr 2013 #11
"Ma'am, here's your kids' milk. Please stay indoors and keep them safe. We've got your back." longship Apr 2013 #14
There was no "please" about it. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #31
What about "shelter in place" do you not understand? longship Apr 2013 #38
Umm, we asked for 2%. Would you be a dear and go get the yellow-cap jugs? reformist2 Apr 2013 #16
Huh, I thought it was voluntary... OneMoreDemocrat Apr 2013 #17
WTF Skittles Apr 2013 #20
Another live one there Skittles.. denbot Apr 2013 #36
aw I'm dong good, denbot Skittles Apr 2013 #41
I'm driving truck now, so I get the drama in bite sized doses.. denbot Apr 2013 #42
well I work 12 hour nights and don't watch TV Skittles Apr 2013 #45
Good to see you, denbot! pinboy3niner Apr 2013 #53
And voluntarily put themselves in that mess? MirrorAshes Apr 2013 #54
Umm... perhaps the parents thought better of going out nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #91
This is weird... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #19
I've seen that look before. Cat's got a drinking problem. randome Apr 2013 #21
This is great for the BPD. Good job, guys and gals. agent46 Apr 2013 #22
I think he's Watertown PD MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #29
Using teargas on Occupy protesters, filling for profit prisons with pot smokers magic59 Apr 2013 #46
Exactly, where are the god damned cookies? grantcart Apr 2013 #26
+1 pinto Apr 2013 #28
THE TERROR!! Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #39
The corporate state strikes again! LOL. freshwest Apr 2013 #49
Those weren't milk adieu Apr 2013 #40
Gees! lib87 Apr 2013 #44
The conspiracy?... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #43
Oh, yeah? pinboy3niner Apr 2013 #48
Oh, the horror... freshwest Apr 2013 #50
worse hfojvt Apr 2013 #85
We're from the government... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #96
Perfect! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #51
What a burgeoning POLICE STATE does --> blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #55
I must have missed this bigtree Apr 2013 #57
Can't conflate what DC's done to our Constitution/Bill of Rights to some cop lugging milk in Boston. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #93
+10000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #97
union thug. n/t James48 Apr 2013 #58
Hey, check out the jugs on that cop. Thor_MN Apr 2013 #62
aww... barbtries Apr 2013 #63
See? The nice man with the gun in the black uniform is bringing milk to the hungry children. Zorra Apr 2013 #66
It's a great photo BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #71
Wow. Excellent, thoughtful post. A big welcome to DU, BethanyQuartz ~ Zorra Apr 2013 #74
This is an excellent post, too. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #98
Thank you! BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #106
Great post. woo me with science Apr 2013 #99
Thank you! BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #107
I didn't realize a single individual equalled a "state." OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #70
+1000 demcoat Apr 2013 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Apr 2013 #72
They didn't bring any milk when they raided this house mokawanis Apr 2013 #73
Did you notice how they threw those guys to the ground?? JoePhilly Apr 2013 #78
I didn't say they killed a puppy mokawanis Apr 2013 #82
Doesn't look like they arrested anyone........ Historic NY Apr 2013 #83
They were safe before the cops showed up mokawanis Apr 2013 #105
So obviously your the video grapher........... Historic NY Apr 2013 #109
"It's over!!!" mokawanis Apr 2013 #110
Police state epic fail. Why not kick the door in? Smash the windows? What, no tear gas cansisters? freshwest Apr 2013 #86
Very disappointing police state treestar Apr 2013 #87
None of the scary music, either. Just songbirds in the background. Fake! Coverup! Wake up sheeple!!! freshwest Apr 2013 #88
lol that cat! treestar Apr 2013 #89
As it's often said, no one knows on the internet that you're a cat... freshwest Apr 2013 #90
Resistance is futile, I see treestar Apr 2013 #92
We are all one! Love and Peace! freshwest Apr 2013 #100
K & R very cool! rollin74 Apr 2013 #75
Sensationalism. Apophis Apr 2013 #79
They could have, but they preferred not to, as I would have preferred not to. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #95
My thoughts, too. Wouldn't have wanted to leave the house in case of explosions or gunfire. Nope. freshwest Apr 2013 #102
Staged photo op michigandem58 Apr 2013 #84
That's not a staged photo op. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #94
Yep. Apophis Apr 2013 #103
Nope. That isnt close to what a staged photo op looks like. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #104
Nope this is a staged photo op: FreeState Apr 2013 #108
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