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MellowDem

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158. I view Islam the same way I view all horrible belief systems based on faith...

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 11:29 PM

Apr 2013

I'm sick of Muslims or Christians or any other religion disowning every terrorist that claims to be Muslim and Christian etc. perpetrating terrorism based on religion. No, it don't work that way. And yes, there are Muslims that view these terrorists as wonderful people, serving the cause well. No, lying to yourself about it doesn't change the facts. And yes, your belief systems are based on texts that have terrible, horrible destruction and maiming in them, and obviously, all the intellectual reworking/dishonesty to try to spitshine these vile texts isn't quite enough to erase what they are, and so some people will use them to do the things that are stated in the texts, the ones you keep proclaiming are divinely inspired and perfect.

Please, question all religion and dump this horribly destructive way of thinking. It's a plague on humanity.

Oh, and quite the fail on analogies. The WBC? They're viewed as an annoyance by Christians, not as terrorists. The WBC hasn't blown people away, though they ARE being consistent with Biblical teachings, and that's they scary part.

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Something to realise [View all] DainBramaged Apr 2013 OP

Soo... the WBC's free speech demonstrations are the same as murderous bombings? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #1

Whoooooooooooooooosh 99Forever Apr 2013 #2

Uh huh. Right. Because WBC protests are JUST the same as murderous bombings. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #4

I even rec'd my own thread. How amazing you can't conceptualize DainBramaged Apr 2013 #7

I can conceptualize 13 victims without legs and 160+ wounded riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #11

No you don't understand and you're simply going to dig yourself a deeper hole DainBramaged Apr 2013 #15

Nope. I think this is a false analogy.nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #18

+10. whathehell Apr 2013 #184

Maybe this one is clearer krawhitham Apr 2013 #238

Is that any different than blaming all gun owners based on the actions a few nut jobs? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #75

What about Niger where Islamic terrorist are trying to over throw the government? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #89

those signs enabled a lot of hurt of murder too. Whisp Apr 2013 #165

Sorry, Whisp, but there's no evidence of that. whathehell Apr 2013 #183

How amazing that you don't understand the concept of an analogy. whathehell Apr 2013 #189

Tell that to George Tiller's family Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #232

Gee, Jeff, I think this comes under the heading of a "day late and a dollar short" whathehell Apr 2013 #235

Quite the feat of hair-splitting... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #239

Um, no, it's actually an entirely different head of hair.. whathehell Apr 2013 #241

No, a bombing is a bombing BainsBane Apr 2013 #10

I'm not. I simply believe this is a false analogy and grotesquely simplifies the situation.nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #20

Subject, verb, etc. tosh Apr 2013 #141

Exactly! and if you get onto a plane with a bunch of white boys on it rustydog Apr 2013 #143

Honest question -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #216

Sorry, Bains, but the surviving brother just admitted "religious fervor" to be the reason whathehell Apr 2013 #197

Conjecture much? 99Forever Apr 2013 #16

How about army of god? Neoma Apr 2013 #240

the point is they don't represent Islam as a whole BainsBane Apr 2013 #3

The message is pretty clear imho. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #25

Really, you have a hard time understanding? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #5

I think its another attempt to portray some of the destructive shit going on in the name of Islam riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #8

I think you need to put your prejudice away and step away from the keyboard. DainBramaged Apr 2013 #9

If not for people think you BainsBane Apr 2013 #12

I'm against any religious terrorism. ALL of it. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #14

Here is what you are buying into with your cmments DainBramaged Apr 2013 #21

Nope. The analogy is flawed imho. A free speech (despicable as it is) comparison with the Boston riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #31

I will spend no more time discussing it with you DainBramaged Apr 2013 #34

but if it's not religious BainsBane Apr 2013 #22

The only commonality between WBC and the Boston Marathoners is the perps self-identify as religious riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #33

200,000 dead in Iraq BainsBane Apr 2013 #62

The OP made the link between the WBC and Islamic terrorists. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #63

What you object to BainsBane Apr 2013 #67

I've never once said the killing is unimportant. In fact its precisely my point riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #84

That really wasn't the point of the OP at all... markpkessinger Apr 2013 #178

Right. Terrorism is terrorism. Doesn't really matter religion, or just ordinary insanity. AAO Apr 2013 #152

or 200,000 deaths in Iraq the name of democracy BainsBane Apr 2013 #153

I'm not going to justify going to war in Iraq, if that's what you're getting at. AAO Apr 2013 #157

those people are 90% of the population BainsBane Apr 2013 #159

You're speaking only for yourself. AAO Apr 2013 #196

I have to ask you, Dain, did you feel the need to educate the Brits on tolerance after 7/7/05? whathehell Apr 2013 #198

Emotionaly it can. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #28

Ok. But did their protest kill anybody? Permanently, physically maim hundreds? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #39

There was one person that commited suicide after the harassment. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #47

I'm truly sorry about that. As you know I've followed your story and journey closely riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #49

"Create a Miranda situation with a suspect of such disgusting proportions our treatment....: uppityperson Apr 2013 #79

The delay in issuing a Miranda warning for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is very troubling riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #87

Oh. Ah. There is legal reason for waiting to use it in certain cases. It is too bad you are so uppityperson Apr 2013 #95

No. Too bad the FBI is too disgustingly afraid to issue a Miranda warning riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #101

hahahahahahahahaha. I keep thinking you are serious and then I appreciate your dry humor. uppityperson Apr 2013 #102

The FBI issued a Miranda Warning yesterday to the suspect in his hospital room yesterday. whathehell Apr 2013 #191

Where in her tweet did she say or imply that? AAO Apr 2013 #150

The booooogie man used to be the Rooooooskies and now it is the Moooooslims. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #161

So clever, If only you didn't miss this rather large point: whathehell Apr 2013 #203

Holy shit. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #19

It was a simple tweet by an innocent proclaiming the right to extract her religion from DainBramaged Apr 2013 #37

There are posters here playing to an outside audience Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #40

Woodwork, I finds them...... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #43

You know, you and Buzz Clik can alert if you think there's some ulterior agenda here. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #48

Is it that hard to see what she said with that tweet? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #90

For some people there's a wilful blindness going on... Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #96

I've said I understand what she means in the tweet but I think her analogy is flawed riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #97

To me what the WBC does is as bad. Stretch714 Apr 2013 #107

Ok. Fair enough and welcome to DU. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #115

Thanks for the welcome. nt Stretch714 Apr 2013 #116

It doesn't say they're the same. tammywammy Apr 2013 #23

I get that. I think the analogy is flawed. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #42

"All Muslims aren't terrorists and all Christians aren't like WBC" is flawed? How? uppityperson Apr 2013 #83

I agreed with tammywammy. HER post isn't flawed. The OP's analogy riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #91

How is it flawed? tammywammy Apr 2013 #92

One is a free speech action, the other is terrorism riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #114

But the actions are not the operative part of the analogy . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #179

Yes, but what you and the OP aren't getting is this: whathehell Apr 2013 #193

I see your hatred and bigotry has affected your understanding Hugabear Apr 2013 #36

No, it didn't. I've said already, I think the analogy is deeply flawed. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #44

Sure, because refusing to accept poor analogies = "hatred and bigotry" whathehell Apr 2013 #205

You are misunderstanding the metaphor I think. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #109

Thanks JDPriestly. Truly. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #117

Hopefully that's what she means. Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #144

You cannot be this ignorant rustydog Apr 2013 #142

Her point is not all muslims are terrorists. She is correct. litlbilly Apr 2013 #149

Well just replace WBC with the abortion clinic bombers malaise Apr 2013 #181

I think Dorian Gray Apr 2013 #186

I am not so sure the tweet is comparing behavior. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #201

Why DUers need to be reminded of something even George Bush knew BainsBane Apr 2013 #6

I don't think DUers need to be so reminded, though some may need reminding whathehell Apr 2013 #204

I'm glad you can BainsBane Apr 2013 #210

Sorry, but I disagree. I don't see anyone here proclaiming their hatred of Muslims or Islam whathehell Apr 2013 #211

One member was just banned BainsBane Apr 2013 #212

On this thread specifically you call DUers bigots who simply dislike the analogy riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #213

Wow. whathehell Apr 2013 #214

Here's a quote from a mainstream rightwinger: Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #13

For the challenged here, neither Muslims or Christians want a small group of radicals shraby Apr 2013 #17

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #24

+1 n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #26

This I can agree with. I simply think the analogy is false. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #27

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #194

That is also my interpretation of the tweet. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #202

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2013 #220

Why don't we characterize Scott Roeder as a Christian terrorist? Downwinder Apr 2013 #29

I would. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #41

I do; also Shelley Shannon, Eric Rudolph and all anti-abortion terrorists REP Apr 2013 #64

Substitute Abortion Clinic bombers and you'd have a lot better analogy Fumesucker Apr 2013 #30

(sigh) the tweet stands on it's own, no need to dissect it thank you DainBramaged Apr 2013 #32

DU is a discussion board, I'm discussing your OP not dissecting it Fumesucker Apr 2013 #35

.... DainBramaged Apr 2013 #38

To my mind that makes it even worse Fumesucker Apr 2013 #45

Here too DainBramaged Apr 2013 #46

Gun owners view criminals who use guns.... The Straight Story Apr 2013 #50

Nope, most us us simply want tighter controls on who gets a gun DainBramaged Apr 2013 #51

Ah, but it is not about gun agenda The Straight Story Apr 2013 #52

I refuse to undulge you and your gun fetish DainBramaged Apr 2013 #53

So, in other words, you are wrong The Straight Story Apr 2013 #55

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year DainBramaged Apr 2013 #56

Some interests in society BainsBane Apr 2013 #61

No we are not BainsBane Apr 2013 #60

The religion still sucks. Apophis Apr 2013 #54

And Christianity is any different? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #58

Christianity sucks too. Apophis Apr 2013 #66

There you go BainsBane Apr 2013 #108

You thrive on stirring shit, don't you? Apophis Apr 2013 #111

yeh for some folks it seems like every post.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #137

If someone is going to espouse bigotry BainsBane Apr 2013 #154

What I am is someone who finds bigotry repulsive BainsBane Apr 2013 #155

Since when is pointing out facts considered bigotry? Apophis Apr 2013 #160

What facts? BainsBane Apr 2013 #164

Post 73 and 80. Apophis Apr 2013 #166

Now you care about women's rights? BainsBane Apr 2013 #169

Interesting that your litmus test for carrying about LGBT BainsBane Apr 2013 #172

Cherry-picked facts may be individually factual, but serve to create a false whole Scootaloo Apr 2013 #182

"Bigotry" is a strong word and, at times, well-meaning people disagree on what constitutes it, IMO. whathehell Apr 2013 #217

Women's rights not to be beaten are at least protected by law in Western aka "Christian" countries. whathehell Apr 2013 #209

So relieved no non-Muslim men beat their wives BainsBane Apr 2013 #59

I'm criticizing a religion. Apophis Apr 2013 #65

Because you don't know what you're talking about BainsBane Apr 2013 #69

As a bisexual atheist, I'd be put to death in an Islamic country. Apophis Apr 2013 #73

My Muslim son-in-law Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #77

Fail? Apophis Apr 2013 #80

You're talking about countries and their laws Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #85

And what are the laws based on? Apophis Apr 2013 #86

A perverted reading of the Koran, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #100

do you think a country whose laws are based on the Bible interpreted by wingnuts JI7 Apr 2013 #118

Okay, given your vast knowledge BainsBane Apr 2013 #171

Provide evidence that is the case BainsBane Apr 2013 #167

You would not be put to death in Indonesia, one of the most populous Islamic countries in the world Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #81

Indonesia is religiously diverse, and 53 of the provences have Islamic majority and jail Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #135

I don't know where you get those numbers from, but they're wrong & it is not illegal to be gay Turborama Apr 2013 #147

I believe that the the only part of Indonesia with Sharia Law is Aceh BainsBane Apr 2013 #168

You profess hatred for the rest if the world BainsBane Apr 2013 #98

Hyperbole much? Apophis Apr 2013 #104

No one is putting you to death BainsBane Apr 2013 #110

I'm not wrong. Apophis Apr 2013 #113

But you are wrong with the broadbrush generalisations... Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #127

depends on which islamic country , not in turkey or tunisia JI7 Apr 2013 #112

Which predominately Christian countries have anything pipoman Apr 2013 #71

Provide evidence BainsBane Apr 2013 #76

This is a good one too.. pipoman Apr 2013 #119

Have you heard of something called the nation-state? BainsBane Apr 2013 #121

LOL pipoman Apr 2013 #218

You cited two links about "Islam" BainsBane Apr 2013 #221

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #215

That's just bullshit. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #68

I'm with you BainsBane Apr 2013 #70

I'm quite certain we must have Muslim members of DU Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #74

I'm pretty sure people here have made sure we have very few BainsBane Apr 2013 #78

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #82

that happens in some Christian families also JI7 Apr 2013 #93

Yes it does. Apophis Apr 2013 #94

and there are muslim and christian families where it doesn't happen JI7 Apr 2013 #99

Very, very well said. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #103

Okay, I guess someone needs to spell it out in big block letters: Mister Ed Apr 2013 #57

WE GET IT. That doesn't make her analogy anything more than superficially clever....but factually WinkyDink Apr 2013 #133

Some of us get what she is saying very well and simply disagree. Occulus Apr 2013 #151

That comparison does not hold up at all RZM Apr 2013 #72

Can you blame them really for having negative feelings against Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #88

No argument over that RZM Apr 2013 #106

have you seen the polls in America about Obama JI7 Apr 2013 #105

You've presented a false dichotomy here Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #120

The false dichotomy is in the tweet itself RZM Apr 2013 #122

But I appreciate the point she was trying to make Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #124

So what was a message of peace has turned into a thread of hatred and gun agenda hijackers DainBramaged Apr 2013 #123

It was a noble effort, DainBramaged. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #125

I agree. And it is heartening to see that more of us got it than not n/t Violet_Crumble Apr 2013 #128

It was a good post. uppityperson Apr 2013 #126

It's a message of peace backed by good intentions. But it's still a bad comparison RZM Apr 2013 #129

Really DainBramaged Apr 2013 #130

It's not about my viewpoint RZM Apr 2013 #131

Why is it necessary to make this bigger than it is? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #138

And nothing to do with bigotry or prejudice or all Muslim or Christian people etc nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #148

You just don't want to give it up do you? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #188

Recommend! KoKo Apr 2013 #132

You know what? I've seen plenty of Christians protest the WBC. Still waiting for the WinkyDink Apr 2013 #134

As always, I point out to people of faith that Westboro flourished not because the good Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #136

Yeah, well, as despicable as WBC is, they haven't bombed anything as far as I know. catbyte Apr 2013 #139

So you're of the 'All Muslims are terrorists' camp? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #140

Not at all. It's a bogus equivalency and I am flabbergasted that you made that leap catbyte Apr 2013 #145

"well, as despicable as WBC is, they haven't bombed anything " DainBramaged Apr 2013 #146

What in the WORLD is "shameful" about noting that WBC hasn't bombed anything"? whathehell Apr 2013 #219

I bet you weren't expecting such...odd responses ecstatic Apr 2013 #156

I view Islam the same way I view all horrible belief systems based on faith... MellowDem Apr 2013 #158

I understand what point she's making... BlueCheese Apr 2013 #162

. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #163

How many people's limbs have been blown off by the WBC? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #170

Pointing that out is bigotry. Apophis Apr 2013 #173

Westboro Murders People? NWLib Apr 2013 #174

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what she said DainBramaged Apr 2013 #175

Just proves that stupid people, progressive or conservative, are...well...stupid Android3.14 Apr 2013 #176

How sad for your children you are teaching them bigotry, how sad DainBramaged Apr 2013 #187

Please. He's agnostic and certainly does not indicate that he is teaching "bigotry" to his kids whathehell Apr 2013 #195

What you call bigotry, a critical thinker calls enlightened self-interest Android3.14 Apr 2013 #222

And a pancake is a waffle is an ice cream cone DainBramaged Apr 2013 #223

See, even you agree Android3.14 Apr 2013 #225

Bullshit, that's the Republican way, telling me I agree, I don't agree with you period DainBramaged Apr 2013 #226

Then I guess I don't understand your definition of bigot Android3.14 Apr 2013 #227

thank you for trying. I suppose back in the the 1930's someone who spoke up against Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #177

Truth DainBramaged Apr 2013 #185

"the simplest truths are the hardest to understand, and there is a LOT of misunderstanding" here. whathehell Apr 2013 #208

Way to miss the point.. whathehell Apr 2013 #200

Profound malaise Apr 2013 #180

Off The Mark whathehell Apr 2013 #207

muslims equate free speech idiots with bomb tossing murderers? CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #190

Exactly total false equivalency. Total. NWLib Apr 2013 #199

No...The false equivalency belongs to the OP for imagining that most here on DU whathehell Apr 2013 #206

wow this post and replies fell off the rail..... madrchsod Apr 2013 #192

If the truth was that her analogy is bad Android3.14 Apr 2013 #224

I am amazed at how hard a few 'members' worked here to try and spread their own message of hate DainBramaged Apr 2013 #228

The problem here is the difference between what she meant to say, and what she actually said. reformist2 Apr 2013 #229

Whatever you'd like to imagine, whatever DainBramaged Apr 2013 #230

It appears to be your imagination that's at issue Android3.14 Apr 2013 #231

Thank you, Yasira Jaan - most excellent point. closeupready Apr 2013 #233

It is amazing how this was received here, simply amazing DainBramaged Apr 2013 #234

It's amazing to you, at least. not so much to me and some others here whathehell Apr 2013 #236

The reception speaks highly of the overall critical thinking skills of the progressive mindset Android3.14 Apr 2013 #237