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FrodosPet

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57. Some verses which seem to justify violence against unbelievers
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 08:04 AM
Apr 2013

I am far from a scholar, and the meanings and historical context of the following verses are up for debate. But it should not be too hard to see how some people who are already inclined towards violence could justify violence from them.

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Surat Al-Baqarah
http://quran.com/2

2 : 190-194
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

[Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

2 : 216-218
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing." And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever - for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.

Indeed, those who have believed and those who have emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah - those expect the mercy of Allah . And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surat 'Āli `Imrān
http://quran.com/3

3 : 56
And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

3 : 151-152
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

And Allah had certainly fulfilled His promise to you when you were killing the enemy by His permission until [the time] when you lost courage and fell to disputing about the order [given by the Prophet] and disobeyed after He had shown you that which you love. Among you are some who desire this world, and among you are some who desire the Hereafter. Then he turned you back from them [defeated] that He might test you. And He has already forgiven you, and Allah is the possessor of bounty for the believers.

3 : 157
And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

3 : 181-185
Allah has certainly heard the statement of those [Jews] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich." We will record what they said and their killing of the prophets without right and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire.

That is for what your hands have put forth and because Allah is not ever unjust to [His] servants."

[They are] those who said, "Indeed, Allah has taken our promise not to believe any messenger until he brings us an offering which fire [from heaven] will consume." Say, "There have already come to you messengers before me with clear proofs and [even] that of which you speak. So why did you kill them, if you should be truthful?"

Then if they deny you, [O Muhammad] - so were messengers denied before you, who brought clear proofs and written ordinances and the enlightening Scripture.

Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion.

Surat An-Nisā'
http://quran.com/4

4 : 89
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

4 : 91
You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization.

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Motivated by religious fervor. [View all] DesertFlower Apr 2013 OP
Exactly, same question here. elleng Apr 2013 #1
Some verses which seem to justify violence against unbelievers FrodosPet Apr 2013 #57
If you read it closely CJCRANE Apr 2013 #64
No doubt that is the view of reasonable, merciful people FrodosPet Apr 2013 #66
I agree CJCRANE Apr 2013 #67
It means that they were terrorists acting in the name of their religion... badtoworse Apr 2013 #2
but what does it accomplish? DesertFlower Apr 2013 #4
"what does it accomplish?" badtoworse Apr 2013 #8
Fundamentalism and rationality do not mix well. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #18
obviously not. DesertFlower Apr 2013 #19
LOL! then maybe you *should* read it. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #30
i've only read parts of the bible DesertFlower Apr 2013 #32
the koran is too. and it calls for killing unbelievers also. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #35
The old testament is full of genocide and ethnic cleansing FarCenter Apr 2013 #40
one thing i remember is DesertFlower Apr 2013 #42
Last time I checked, there weren't any Jewish or Christian jihads badtoworse Apr 2013 #58
Teutonic knights, reconquest of Spain, conquistadores in South America are less than 800 ya FarCenter Apr 2013 #61
I don't know...there are people who think the "War on Terror" CJCRANE Apr 2013 #62
WILL they be treated differently from other de facto terrorists - is what that's supposed to patrice Apr 2013 #3
Arguably, the most asinine DU post so far this year. badtoworse Apr 2013 #9
That was Rachel Maddow's question. Not the NRA's. patrice Apr 2013 #53
Bringing the NRA into this is still asinine badtoworse Apr 2013 #56
What's asinine is referring to others as asinine, because that is a divide & conquer tactic, patrice Apr 2013 #63
I never refer to people as asinine, but I do call them on what they post badtoworse Apr 2013 #68
I thought it an odd choice of words too. MindPilot Apr 2013 #5
What is the point of being PC about this? We all know the religion is Islam. badtoworse Apr 2013 #11
anyone remember ayeshahaqqiqa? DesertFlower Apr 2013 #6
I remember her Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #36
i've been in touch with her several times DesertFlower Apr 2013 #37
Rachel used a rhetorical question "What does it matter what their motive was" & she listed other patrice Apr 2013 #7
IMO it does matter. what DesertFlower Apr 2013 #12
Have you missed the ongong slaughter of Muslims by fundamentalist Muslims? hack89 Apr 2013 #20
so many things in this world are senseless. DesertFlower Apr 2013 #21
Tell me about it. hack89 Apr 2013 #22
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aye but the problem is where is the line? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #33
You would understand a WHOLE lot more by learning about the Shia/Sunni Muslim split riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #38
So she discounts the victims of the primary weapons, the bombs, and claims this was Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #28
Your strawman argument won't play very well. longship Apr 2013 #51
patrice has twice said she talked about "other gun terrorism" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #54
Jihadi? An extreme religious belief that includes the killing of innocents as promoting Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #10
like i said in another post, it's not like DesertFlower Apr 2013 #13
Many women in the marathon not in hijabs. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #15
it certainly doesn't help their cause. in fact DesertFlower Apr 2013 #17
They seem to feel it helps their cause, or they wouldn't do it. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #44
i remember, but i don't think all people DesertFlower Apr 2013 #45
That's an inaccurate story BTW. CJCRANE Apr 2013 #65
American western life goes against their religion, I've thought. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #43
my answer to that is if you don't like our culture DesertFlower Apr 2013 #47
Is terrorism perpetrated by Islamic extremists really such an alien concept for you? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #14
no, but many times a reason is given. DesertFlower Apr 2013 #16
same as this? Matariki Apr 2013 #23
even though they didn't do the killing i DesertFlower Apr 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author undeterred Apr 2013 #24
Extremists don't need a "reason." Archae Apr 2013 #25
For radical Islam the "why" is contained in the name radical... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #27
People who blow up abortion clinics are used torqued up by religion too. Lex Apr 2013 #29
In this particular case, it meant "wanted to do something evil, but not be the bad guy." dimbear Apr 2013 #34
true. nt DesertFlower Apr 2013 #39
conspiracy: what Boston person uses the word fervor? flamingdem Apr 2013 #41
That would be "ferva" FarCenter Apr 2013 #46
he he he you're right! evidence! nt flamingdem Apr 2013 #50
so am i. i think there's more DesertFlower Apr 2013 #49
I'm still trying to figure out how patriotism leads to organized mass murder. rug Apr 2013 #48
It's been going on for a few thousand years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #55
I think mass murder governed by ideology (of whatever kind) is one of the first fruits of a state. rug Apr 2013 #59
See: Eric Rudolph Tom Ripley Apr 2013 #52
Religious fundies of all kinds are a danger. libtodeath Apr 2013 #60
Very true. but some are a lot more dangerous than others. badtoworse Apr 2013 #69
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