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HiPointDem

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31. what a bunch of stupid fucks. no, not stupid -- fascist. criminalizing tobacco

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Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:09 AM

Apr 2013

= more kids with records for the prison to profit pipeteers and the surveillance capitalists.

fuck them all

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Kool! NYC city council aims to raise smoking age from 18 to 21! [View all] graham4anything Apr 2013 OP

I hope Christine Quinn sets double history and becomes Mayor this Nov. and graham4anything Apr 2013 #1

Not counting the Hillary word salad, you really have a strong authoritarian streak. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #6

Guess you would let George Bailey drown. Sorry Clarence no wings served here graham4anything Apr 2013 #10

George Bailey was a FICTIONAL character. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #12

So was Thomas Jefferson saying all men were created equal. graham4anything Apr 2013 #65

I ask again, what are you on? Jefferson was NOT a fictional character, no matter what he said. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #68

Jefferson's words were fiction graham4anything Apr 2013 #72

You have a really strong pro-corporate streak. Smoking only benefits big tobacco, has no redeeming stevenleser Apr 2013 #73

I care for the big corporations about as much as I care for Repukes. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #75

I got there because you are behaving as a willing patsy for big tobacco. Thats who you are helping stevenleser Apr 2013 #79

you are just as delusional as the OP hobbit709 Apr 2013 #80

That's what I got from reading your comments, premium Apr 2013 #81

Yes, even the high and mighty you are capable of behaving like a corporate patsy stevenleser Apr 2013 #82

He's a corporate patsy because he supports freedom of choice? premium Apr 2013 #83

His supposed "freedom of choice" is the freedom to enrich big tobacco by becoming addicted stevenleser Apr 2013 #87

No, it's called freedom to chose whether you want to smoke, premium Apr 2013 #95

I'm not sure "It's makes a corporate profit ergo it should be banned" is a basis for sound policy. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #104

So which corporations are you a patsy of? hobbit709 Apr 2013 #86

None whose business is killing people by the millions. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #88

Are you sure? hobbit709 Apr 2013 #89

Yes I am sure. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #90

Prove it. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #92

How'd did you Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #109

If you eat junk food OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #103

So they'll just buy their cigarettes in NJ customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #2

guess some would tell George Bailey to drown instead of having Clarence save him. graham4anything Apr 2013 #4

I was just pointing out customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #7

You do know that "It's A Wonderful Life" is fiction? hobbit709 Apr 2013 #8

Nannies are a good thing. So are parents and grandparents. graham4anything Apr 2013 #11

Last I heard 18 was legal adult. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #13

Health care costs have made things different now graham4anything Apr 2013 #15

That still doesn't give you the right to tell others how to live according to your attitudes. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #17

I have no power, therefore, I am just giving an opinion on a chat board. Does it bother you? graham4anything Apr 2013 #18

nobody sings louder in church than a reformed sinner. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #21

One was still able to smoke in movie theatres after i quit graham4anything Apr 2013 #22

you remind me of a clown I dealt with in the grocery store once. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #23

I have never been in a fight nor do I have a gun or bullet. graham4anything Apr 2013 #26

I've been in several fights, none involved guns hobbit709 Apr 2013 #33

delete hobbit709 Apr 2013 #40

LOL OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #43

I figured that out a long time ago. I just enjoy messing with him. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #46

Yeah I know, I was just being funny lol OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #49

Nannies are great for children. actslikeacarrot Apr 2013 #48

It doesn't even work as an analogy JHB Apr 2013 #14

Most would take PATH a short ride at low fare. You know this, because you live in NJ. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #78

Why would NYers drive to NJ to get gas when the bridge and tunnel tolls from phylny Apr 2013 #16

Enough of them find occasions to get out of NYC customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #112

Wont work in NYC.... SummerSnow Apr 2013 #3

Untrue. graham4anything Apr 2013 #5

lol.i see this happen all the time.depends on the neighborhood of course. SummerSnow Apr 2013 #9

Yes because ALL OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #54

The person trying it might be a plant, and voila, the store gets it. graham4anything Apr 2013 #60

Yup, that can happen. OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #71

Trust me it happens I was buying cigs and beer at 16 Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #99

OP error: "Aims to" is not nearly the same as "is going to." WinkyDink Apr 2013 #19

If the council, the democratic party and the mayor want it, who is going to stop it? graham4anything Apr 2013 #20

It would help marions ghost Apr 2013 #24

There should be a modern day version of a Stephen King short story.Quitter's Inc.(c) graham4anything Apr 2013 #28

You're on my wave marions ghost Apr 2013 #37

Maybe they read D.U. (lol) nt graham4anything Apr 2013 #45

If they don't, they should marions ghost Apr 2013 #53

Kids don't 'get' messages from authority figures customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #113

That's why I suggested marions ghost Apr 2013 #114

They'd laugh their butts off at it customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #115

I dont think you understand marions ghost Apr 2013 #116

Please, look at all the movies customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #117

I think it could be done marions ghost Apr 2013 #118

Why not 25? Why not 30? Wouldn't that save even more lives? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #25

Driving shouldn't be allowed til 26. graham4anything Apr 2013 #41

Better yet.... Captain Stern Apr 2013 #77

why not 25, 30, 50? CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #27

Why smoke in the first place? Why not quit. graham4anything Apr 2013 #30

Why not mind your own business? OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #55

If they don't have health insurance, it costs everybody,making it everybodies biz. graham4anything Apr 2013 #57

You sound like a repuke there Graham OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #66

As opposed to someone fighting to keep big tobacco raking in the profits at the expense of death and stevenleser Apr 2013 #74

A person can easily not smoke OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #97

Careful, raise the age too much and there won't be enough income to pay for schip JVS Apr 2013 #51

Nonsense RZM Apr 2013 #29

This is for the tourists. NYers already don't smoke much. This is for the tourists. graham4anything Apr 2013 #39

Who the targets are or how much New Yorkers smoke aren't important RZM Apr 2013 #50

Oh so you want to tell visitors OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #56

They are our guests. They can't smoke in hotel rooms you know. NONE of them. graham4anything Apr 2013 #59

No they don't smoke in hotel rooms, they go OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #70

'Our guests'? You live in NJ, where hotels can and do allow smoking in up to 20% of rooms Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #96

Tourists will pack their own cigarettes. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #76

According to NYC, 14.2% of residents are smokers, that's 1,170,777 smoking NYers Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #91

what a bunch of stupid fucks. no, not stupid -- fascist. criminalizing tobacco HiPointDem Apr 2013 #31

So are you against the democratic rep. that this bill was brought forth by? graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

go away word salad HiPointDem Apr 2013 #35

A lot of Democratic Rep's are worthless Ter Apr 2013 #101

Bloomberg's not a Democrat tabbycat31 Apr 2013 #105

It's the sellers who would have the legal problems that would tend to put them in prison. Sunlei Apr 2013 #38

it's all part of criminalizing someone, and more state intrusion into lots of things. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #44

no its part of "should the legal age to buy be 18 or 21?" what do you think? Sunlei Apr 2013 #47

Thats probably a good idea for drinking aswell. And the military for the combat part should be 21. Sunlei Apr 2013 #32

That's federal. This is local. (or state). In America they are separate parts. graham4anything Apr 2013 #36

yes, I wish 21 was a federal law instead of having some states stay in the dark ages another decade. Sunlei Apr 2013 #42

Yay....more 18 yr olds in jail SoCalDem Apr 2013 #52

Little Neck/Great Neck HockeyMom Apr 2013 #58

There's certainly some shops near PATH stations in Jersey City and Hoboken... JHB Apr 2013 #61

The OP is a resident of NJ. Which is interesting. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #93

Sometimes he is, and sometimes he isn't. JHB Apr 2013 #98

I worked for a NYC Cigarette Mfg. when I was 20 HockeyMom Apr 2013 #108

While I agree with Bloomberg, NYC, NYS, on guns HockeyMom Apr 2013 #110

Now. Lifetime New Yorker. Major John Lindsay fan. Like Bloomberg, JVL had many haters graham4anything Apr 2013 #106

Is there any authoritarian action in this country that you're not in favor of? MadHound Apr 2013 #62

You guessed it. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #69

How about the drinking age? Alcohol is nothing but a poison. 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #63

The drinking age already is 21. graham4anything Apr 2013 #64

It seems that Cigarettes is one of the most trafficked items in America. Xyzse Apr 2013 #67

Why not just prohibit cigarette sales in NY sarisataka Apr 2013 #84

Smoking where? You can barely smoke anywhere in NYC now. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #85

Does having the drinking age at 21 really keep minors bigwillq Apr 2013 #94

Yet you can still star in a porno at 18 Ter Apr 2013 #100

Or get your ass shot off in Afghanistan. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #107

Nicotine addiction has killed many people who I loved over the years. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #102

Do you know if a person is over 70 years old, HockeyMom Apr 2013 #111