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Avalux

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52. Some people may not know or may have forgotten what Rove perfected.

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:13 AM

Apr 2013

It didn't start with him, but the tactic has become the cornerstone of the psychological workings of the GOP. Rove used it with Bush and it worked like a charm. They turned a man who fought and suffered through Vietnam into coward.

The GOP accuses and blame their opponents (loudly and dramatically) for doing what they are doing; they project their weaknesses, true nature and agenda onto the opponent.

Countering this tactic is very difficult; once the message/lie is spread and the media takes it up, it's nearly impossible to stop, with time wasted defending a baseless accusation. The perception is that there may be truth to the message and damage is done either way.

The GOP is doing a great job in portraying Obama as the Medicare/SS stealer, when it's their goal. We all need to understand this and not get caught up in it.

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Voters Think Obama Is Trying To Take Their Social Security, Medicare and Retirement. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Apr 2013 OP

IMO, he is. n/t Triana Apr 2013 #1

Exactly. Myrina Apr 2013 #2

He is. There's no getting around it. duffyduff Apr 2013 #10

+1000 forestpath Apr 2013 #16

+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #21

+1 ctsnowman Apr 2013 #60

yes - I can no longer convince myself demokatgurrl Apr 2013 #82

If you believe what he says, and watch what he does, then he absolutely is. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #120

Yeah... Populist_Prole Apr 2013 #3

The Most Aggravating Thing About Obama Is He Demands His Base STFU. The GOP On The Other Hand - TheMastersNemesis Apr 2013 #6

Can't agree more Populist_Prole Apr 2013 #9

Maybe he knows his base has the brains to understand nuance and compromise where Pisces Apr 2013 #39

It's insidious Third Way propaganda Oilwellian Apr 2013 #42

/\ yep G_j Apr 2013 #115

Any evidence other than a strong desire that this were so? (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #4

... woo me with science Apr 2013 #24

nice WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #38

So, no. Got it. Recursion Apr 2013 #40

Great rebuttal. bvar22 Apr 2013 #86

Good idea. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #106

Please, please do. woo me with science Apr 2013 #109

Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #105

"Voters think"? Good thing he isn't running again, huh? NightWatcher Apr 2013 #5

Good thing Obama's not a Democrat because voters might connect him with the party otherwise Fumesucker Apr 2013 #14

+100000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #53

heh SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #124

That is right being that he is a slightly less betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #29

Trying to defend the President has become an impossible task. Scuba Apr 2013 #7

Is it too much to expect our Democratic President do something like this? bvar22 Apr 2013 #8

That one hurts. woo me with science Apr 2013 #83

It hurts more than words can say. denem Apr 2013 #116

Exactly right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #121

I was afraid of this. I knew this whole chained cpi thing would blow up in our faces. CTyankee Apr 2013 #11

Maybe you don't understand their goals zipplewrath Apr 2013 #12

his stand can be used against them in repub. propaganda for years to come. That to me is CTyankee Apr 2013 #19

Against them? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #22

but what good is it when the repubs can use it against us? CTyankee Apr 2013 #26

"We"? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #34

Look, can you tell me what you are thinking here? I'm truly wondering. CTyankee Apr 2013 #41

Your goals aren't the White House goals zipplewrath Apr 2013 #50

Oh, I get you now. I guess we wait and see... CTyankee Apr 2013 #61

The patient push to awakening. woo me with science Apr 2013 #65

not sure that is the correct answer, but it is one explanation. As I said, we shall see... CTyankee Apr 2013 #85

You won't have to wait long to see THIS: bvar22 Apr 2013 #88

I don't buy that he wasn't serious or bluffing. And you are right about breaking the taboo. CTyankee Apr 2013 #89

Krugman hasn't been always right. bvar22 Apr 2013 #93

I see it as him throwing to the VSP chained cpi as a kind of delaying tactic. I don't think it CTyankee Apr 2013 #95

I haven't read what krugman said about NAFTA, Free Trade and Free Markets... CTyankee Apr 2013 #100

Here is my view, CTYankee, woo me with science Apr 2013 #94

Oh, thank you for your kind words! I am so honored that you feel this way. I did not CTyankee Apr 2013 #96

Thank you. That was really beautiful, woo me with science Apr 2013 #99

What makes you think they didn't? n/t Oilwellian Apr 2013 #43

You were afraid that a couple of guys on a golf course would complain that Obama is stealing their pampango Apr 2013 #44

I see. an evil plot hatched on a golf course to hand over the USA to the republican party. CTyankee Apr 2013 #90

Why? CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #58

This. Pelosi and the rest are all very, VERY WEALTHY. closeupready Apr 2013 #64

Feinstein is another one CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #71

Yep. Feinstein is just awful, and a hypocrite. closeupready Apr 2013 #72

She is one of my senators CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #75

Oh, yeah - I remember a lot of that. closeupready Apr 2013 #80

Did you vote for Mike Strimling in the primaries last year? I did. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #101

No CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #110

He's a Democrat. And a true Progressive. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #114

well, all right, then... CTyankee Apr 2013 #91

IMO, no matter how much we want it, his goal is not to preserve the traditional Democratic Party AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #112

Your premise depends upon accurately understanding their goals. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #122

The solution is for the President to admit he has been werong on this issue, and to back up these... Faryn Balyncd Apr 2013 #13

Fat chance of this ever happening. I voted both times for Obama, but Cal33 Apr 2013 #23

X2 ctsnowman Apr 2013 #62

Welcome to DU, and may your future posts be longer than this one. :) Cal33 Apr 2013 #73

This is very reminiscent of "Vote Nader" from 2000. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #103

You are right. When push comes to shove, I'll vote for any Democrat rather Cal33 Apr 2013 #123

I understand your frustration, but realistically speaking, BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #125

I guess they just don't understand eleventy dimension chess. forestpath Apr 2013 #15

Well you should defend him, because he has not proposed eliminating the programs treestar Apr 2013 #17

Good god. woo me with science Apr 2013 #27

That's what the people in the OP's story were saying treestar Apr 2013 #33

That's not a controversial belief, is it? closeupready Apr 2013 #18

"A couple of guys" = "voters." Wow. You need to get out more. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #20

When Obama (or Clinton) PROPOSES something it is no longer a "GOP initiative" Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #25

+1000 Reality is, apparently, unpleasant. woo me with science Apr 2013 #47

Voters are not blind. woo me with science Apr 2013 #28

If it looks like a duck...... MichiganVote Apr 2013 #30

This is actually his education policy duffyduff Apr 2013 #46

Thank you for posting this. woo me with science Apr 2013 #84

HA, what a joke. Pisces Apr 2013 #31

Oh, they're Federal Employees? AnnieBW Apr 2013 #32

...And yet, Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #35

If those voters were over the age of, about, 60... PennsylvaniaMatt Apr 2013 #36

Congress makes the law, not the President. nt bemildred Apr 2013 #37

What an utterly ridiculous response. woo me with science Apr 2013 #45

The "reality" is that Congress makes the laws, not the President. bemildred Apr 2013 #48

"Anything," indeed. You know, these responses are woo me with science Apr 2013 #54

Name calling is not much of an argument. nt bemildred Apr 2013 #55

I have not "name-called." You, on the other hand, woo me with science Apr 2013 #57

That's it, double down. nt bemildred Apr 2013 #59

It is what he does. Puts words in people's mouth, too. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #68

And again, no substantive response. Just a personal swipe. woo me with science Apr 2013 #70

I engaged with you early on in discussion. But you always move the goal posts. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #74

Please post your many links. woo me with science Apr 2013 #77

Yes, because you excel at putting words in other people's mouths. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #81

pass the buck usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #98

Pass the buck to where the buck properly belongs. bemildred Apr 2013 #119

That's the danger of becoming the face of government. Orsino Apr 2013 #49

Harry S. Truman: "The buck stops here." woo me with science Apr 2013 #56

He hasn't taken any actions to protect it, then his budget looks like it will. liberal N proud Apr 2013 #51

Some people may not know or may have forgotten what Rove perfected. Avalux Apr 2013 #52

Obama put the cuts on the table, woo me with science Apr 2013 #63

You Have A Point. Obama's Policies Become His Policies. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2013 #66

Two guys on a golf course? emulatorloo Apr 2013 #67

The Public Golf Course I Play Almost Like A Country Club Politically. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2013 #69

We'll see how it plays out. In the meantime worth calling our Sens and Reps. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #76

Exactly!! The OP lost me at "two guys on a golf course"!! Yeah, like they're really Obama supporters Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #108

if it were shrubby proposing these cuts RedstDem Apr 2013 #78

"cool story bro" ecstatic Apr 2013 #79

No Wall St. is taking our Social Security, Medicare, and Retirement. Initech Apr 2013 #87

That is it in a nutshell. Rex Apr 2013 #92

we the people, are not as stupid as our owners think we are usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #97

And they are right! Marketing spin cannot not hide the DLC right wing agenda BS on point Apr 2013 #102

I wonder how long it would take before another anti-Obama thread on Democratic Underground BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #104

Obama *IS* the *BEST* Democratic president! The best!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #107

???? 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #113

Apart from the Japanese Internment camps, yes, he was the best. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #117

The game he is playing is called "dollar bill on a string" Generic Other Apr 2013 #111

We are not even Newest Reality Apr 2013 #118

"If Obama is the best Democratic president that we can field, then the country is doomed..." emsimon33 Apr 2013 #126

Old, white, conservative men who play Golf were never Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #127

Thanks for posting this tularetom Apr 2013 #128