I think the entire concept of redemption was devised (Reply #13)

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Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:59 PM

13. I think the entire concept of redemption was devised

to excuse the most atrocious behaviors.

It is a cruel hoax responsible for the most heinous of crimes and the most brutal behaviors.

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94 replies	Author	Time	Post
Is it possible to get redemption after committing a heinous crime...? [View all]	kentuck	Apr 2013	OP
what's your definition of redemption?	marions ghost	Apr 2013	#1
It isn't easy	NoPasaran	Apr 2013	#2
Jane Fonda never bruised anyone, let alone massacred and dismembered. nt	geek tragedy	Apr 2013	#6
She did aid the N. Vietnamese war effort.	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#23
It was propaganda, not murder. nt	geek tragedy	Apr 2013	#24
Propaganda does not aid an overall war effort?	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#25
First Amendment covers speech, not bombs for a reason. nt	geek tragedy	Apr 2013	#26
There I don't understand you	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#27
How did she specifically aid the NV war effort?	kentuck	Apr 2013	#28
She was used in NV propoganda	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#29
And how did that help them?	kentuck	Apr 2013	#32
Are you arguing that wartime propaganda is not effective?	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#34
Do you mean like?	kentuck	Apr 2013	#36
Propaganda is a weapon of war	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#43
Then we have to ask, was it a "just" war?	kentuck	Apr 2013	#45
It was just a continuation of the war that has been going on for a few thousand years	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#48
But many in America did not think it was a just war...	kentuck	Apr 2013	#52
that was all jane fonda's fault. if not for her corrupting youth, the US would have won.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#76
You do realize the US was incidental in this war?	AngryAmish	Apr 2013	#81
Good responses all the way	timdog44	Apr 2013	#35
She wasn't arrested	leftynyc	Apr 2013	#44
They used her picture.	tblue	Apr 2013	#79
Apparently she's a fundi now	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Apr 2013	#41
Barbarella a fundie?	NoPasaran	Apr 2013	#46
Ted claimed she got very religious midway thru their marriage	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Apr 2013	#47
I love the way everyone knows so much about other people's lives	CBGLuthier	Apr 2013	#54
I'm just reporting what was reported by the women's husband	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Apr 2013	#71
Not a fundy --	Hell Hath No Fury	Apr 2013	#65
ask Shrub. He seems to be doing fine with his crimes.	librechik	Apr 2013	#3
Yes	Duer 157099	Apr 2013	#4
It's MHO too.	tblue	Apr 2013	#80
To society, no. Religious people can come up with their own standards,	geek tragedy	Apr 2013	#5
depends on who is doing the redeeming...	snooper2	Apr 2013	#7
I don't go to church anymore,	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2013	#8
Yes, especially if the heinous acts were committed	Warpy	Apr 2013	#9
Depends on what you mean	Yo_Mama	Apr 2013	#10
Society allows for redemption. There are hundreds of people who were	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2013	#11
In the Roman Catholic faith, yes...	DonViejo	Apr 2013	#12
I think the entire concept of redemption was devised	Sekhmets Daughter	Apr 2013	#13
+1	Tom Ripley	Apr 2013	#19
+2! n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#49
Constantine is said to have converted to Christianity after murdering his son and wife	REP	Apr 2013	#53
Exactly....	Sekhmets Daughter	Apr 2013	#70
Only with God, okay? I've given this some thought over the years	Hekate	Apr 2013	#14
Excellent post	get the red out	Apr 2013	#39
I would agree.	kentuck	Apr 2013	#42
I just don't hold redemption	Tien1985	Apr 2013	#15
NO	oldhippie	Apr 2013	#16
mein furher if you confess your sins all is forgiven and you will go to heaven despite your "sins" n	msongs	Apr 2013	#17
That's really not how it works. Speaking words of confession would not be enough...	yawnmaster	Apr 2013	#63
Reading the back of cereal box may not actually give you the breadth of information you presume it d	LanternWaste	Apr 2013	#69
I don't know. Seems to me an essential part of "redemption" is paying the price for what you did.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2013	#18
It is my understanding that many Christians believe in a "born again of the spirit" experience,	Zorra	Apr 2013	#20
Ask Michael Vick	NeoConsSuck	Apr 2013	#21
I have to say No.	marions ghost	Apr 2013	#22
There is such a thing as forgiveness	undeterred	Apr 2013	#30
the New Testament doctrine is "grace"	grasswire	Apr 2013	#31
I'll vote for redemption under the following conditions:	defacto7	Apr 2013	#33
+100 n/t	Tx4obama	Apr 2013	#72
We aren't the victims so it isn't up to us.	cbdo2007	Apr 2013	#37
Redemption? I can't see how I could answer that.	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#38
I don't know - think about "child soldiers". Some of them get out of that situation and	haele	Apr 2013	#40
No amount of good works could ever undo such mindless cruelty	REP	Apr 2013	#50
What type of redemption?	quakerboy	Apr 2013	#51
Anything is possible.	liberalmuse	Apr 2013	#55
To get redemption from whom?	hughee99	Apr 2013	#56
Bill Ayers became a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago,	Douglas Carpenter	Apr 2013	#57
Bill Ayers did not kill or physically hurt anyone. n/t	Tx4obama	Apr 2013	#73
setting off bombs multiple times certainly could have	Douglas Carpenter	Apr 2013	#75
But...	Tx4obama	Apr 2013	#94
Yes. Of course.	KittyWampus	Apr 2013	#58
I think those responsible should bear full responsibility for their actions	Nuclear Unicorn	Apr 2013	#59
I'm not a christian, but I do believe in redemption	mythology	Apr 2013	#60
Good deeds? Doing your cellmate's laundry?	MrSlayer	Apr 2013	#61
As a Universalist, I would say it's not only possible but it will happen	Recursion	Apr 2013	#62
Good deeds alone, not enough, but it would require true repentance...	yawnmaster	Apr 2013	#64
Sure: Become an organ donor and then kill yourself.	cliffordu	Apr 2013	#66
Maybe	In_The_Wind	Apr 2013	#87
Redemption is always possible	etherealtruth	Apr 2013	#67
I'll bet everyone on this thread tears up when Red meets Andy Dufresne on the beach	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2013	#68
Get busy living, or get busy dying	davidpdx	Apr 2013	#83
Ugly?	marions ghost	Apr 2013	#84
That's your opinion	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2013	#86
I'm talking about biology	marions ghost	Apr 2013	#90
I understand that people who hold that view like to think it is scientifically grounded	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2013	#91
I honestly don't understand what your beliefs are grounded in	marions ghost	Apr 2013	#92
NO- NEVER!!! nt	4 t 4	Apr 2013	#74
in a case like the Boston Bombing i think it would depend on the Victims	JI7	Apr 2013	#77
Its always possible	LostOne4Ever	Apr 2013	#78
Is it possible to get redemption at all?	JVS	Apr 2013	#82
I think it is possible, depending on the severity of the crime and what actions the person takes	davidpdx	Apr 2013	#85
I think so, I also believe in the possibility of rehabilitation.	TheKentuckian	Apr 2013	#88
"Redemption Song" by Bob Marley	panader0	Apr 2013	#89
I think Uncle Ruslan got it right. He needs to beg for forgiveness from	Cleita	Apr 2013	#93

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