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marions ghost

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37. No difference in murderous intent

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:33 PM

Apr 2013

I think it's interesting that people make any distinction between mass murderers here--as if it's worse to kill when you look into the eyes of the victim than when you don't. Did they not kill the cop looking at him (and wound with intent to kill the other?) And if the hijack guy had been American and not Chinese....

I don't think the comparison to military killing is applicable.

I'm sure it is easier to drop bombs than be on the ground in combat but I don't think you can compare military people to mass murderers --because military killing is socially sanctioned and soldiers are trained to kill as their job (doesn't make it any easier when they have PTSD later).
It is not called a crime, though what Bushco did should be. It is sanitized. But still killing.

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Why Can't We See That Boston Is More Like Newtown Than 9/11? [View all] Coyotl Apr 2013 OP

because one was done by a kid who was off his fucking meds snooper2 Apr 2013 #1

If religion is the key to that, then let's ask what is the difference between sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #21

I don't think those terms were floating around then, but in theory he should have been snooper2 Apr 2013 #28

Mindset became different after 911. merrily Apr 2013 #29

Not buying it. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #2

Not the pure evil as at Newtown? marions ghost Apr 2013 #3

"Murder is murder" WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #7

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #9

"same mental footing" marions ghost Apr 2013 #10

Sure WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #14

Mass murderers are insane sociopaths. Period. marions ghost Apr 2013 #23

It's just not that easy... Junkpet Apr 2013 #32

There is no rationalization of either marions ghost Apr 2013 #43

Very simplistic way of looking at it WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #44

I'm willing to believe they are different variants of insane marions ghost Apr 2013 #46

No, YOU might want to read up on psychology. PERIOD Junkpet Apr 2013 #47

My definition of sane is "not the basis for our legal system or general morality" marions ghost Apr 2013 #55

Ok. It doesn't make sense to you. I explained it, you disagree. I'm fine with that. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #8

I'm not certain 'murder is murder' is accurate.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #33

No difference in murderous intent marions ghost Apr 2013 #37

I wasn't comparing military people to mass murders.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #42

You are not a sociopath marions ghost Apr 2013 #45

Yes, I think in a broad sense we do agree... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #56

yes marions ghost Apr 2013 #57

Oh! I had never before considered Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #58

The way I see it marions ghost Apr 2013 #59

I was thinking about just that since our last exchange... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #61

"Lack of predictability...waiting for the spark." marions ghost Apr 2013 #62

Good! We can be scared together! Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #64

Not to mention the psychopaths we know marions ghost Apr 2013 #65

Yes indeed... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #66

Yes marions ghost Apr 2013 #67

I don't have that smiley... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #68

I posted this in another thread: marions ghost Apr 2013 #69

Thanks for the info... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #70

That is one of the most disgusting bits of moral relativism I've ever read anywhere. Skidmore Apr 2013 #5

"disgusting bits of moral relativism"? What a fucking drama queen. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #6

This is rich irony... riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #11

Still pouting? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #17

LOL. You would think that... riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #30

Wrong, slick. Skidmore Apr 2013 #13

I said precisely what I meant, and I stand by it without further explanation. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #16

Your moral relativism certainly does stand on its own merits. Skidmore Apr 2013 #18

I agree with you. Its totally different to stare at a 5 yr old child down the barrel of a gun stevenleser Apr 2013 #19

.. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #22

A bomber might be more cowardly marions ghost Apr 2013 #25

...and yet... Junkpet Apr 2013 #35

incorrect marions ghost Apr 2013 #39

incorrect... Junkpet Apr 2013 #50

you lost me at splitting hairs marions ghost Apr 2013 #54

Both objectified their victims and did not see their humanity. Skidmore Apr 2013 #26

The Boston bombers stared right into Jeff Bauman's eyes and placed the bag. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #31

Right marions ghost Apr 2013 #40

That makes a hell of a lot of sense. HappyMe Apr 2013 #38

One has to wonder if the kid that did the Newtown avebury Apr 2013 #51

Because it's not. Terrorism has the potential to be truly catastrophic. reformist2 Apr 2013 #4

Well, I certainly would not compare it to 9/11 LeftInTX Apr 2013 #12

So stupid. Boston and 9/11 were motivated by Islamic extremism. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #15

But it is not politically correct to say it is motivated by Muslim still_one Apr 2013 #49

Cuz there's ferriners involved who are also Muslim. Cleita Apr 2013 #20

Maybe because its not onenote Apr 2013 #24

I think it's more stillcool Apr 2013 #27

Or Columbine zipplewrath Apr 2013 #36

Its a loaded question wercal Apr 2013 #34

Strikes against innocent human beings by someone with a "cause" Lex Apr 2013 #41

Because it isn't. Boston was an attack because of hatred for Americans and their still_one Apr 2013 #48

that was BS , there is nothing to show they had issues with our foreign policy JI7 Apr 2013 #71

From all accounts, they were upset about Iraq and Afghanistan, and in the older brothers own words still_one Apr 2013 #72

I think its more like Columbine. DCBob Apr 2013 #52

Because it's not? ileus Apr 2013 #53

Oh, I dunno...maybe because it isn't? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #60

is oklahoma city a red headed stepchild in all this? datasuspect Apr 2013 #63