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72. "It was only after the all clear signal..."

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

Apr 2013

I've thought about that.

Then again, if the all clear had been given hours earlier, or if there had been no shelter in place request at all, suspect #2 would have had hours less to bleed out. He might have been far more alert and active when this homeowner lifted his tarp, resulting in one dead homeowner, possibly another firefight, with more police killed or wounded, and with the suspect possibly dead as well. Not to mention, probably a lot of second guessing of the "why didn't the idiots lock down the city" sort.

BTW, a number of businesses stayed open, and quite a few people ignored the "shelter in place." As I understand it, it was a request, not a demand. Nobody got busted for ignoring the "order."

And I also hear--from friends in Watertown--that the Dunkin' Donuts provided its "services" that day for free. But yes, it is a rich source for jokes, now that it's all over.

I used to live in Boston. I love that city now more than ever.

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So, what would you have done differently in Boston [View all] Raven Apr 2013 OP

plenty usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #1

so...how many officers would you have deployed? Exactly what would you have done? Raven Apr 2013 #4

much much less, for a lone, wounded 19yo with no military training usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #10

No, you didn't. "Like the UK" is nothing concrete. randome Apr 2013 #19

are you kidding? They dealt with many bombings and NEVER shut down a whole city AND usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #29

You still seem to be saying what NOT to do instead of how to better handle the situation. randome Apr 2013 #35

No, I provided an example of how it was better handled, than shutting down a whole major city. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #40

So, your concrete answer to my question is to Raven Apr 2013 #41

Whole books have been written on the subject, and it is not just some other city usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #45

The British used military patrols even when there was no immediate attack Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #81

Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will �Have to Change� After Boston Bombing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #87

Bloomberg is a jack-ass who is exploiting an attack to force his dictates Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #89

we fucking did drills hiding under our elementary school desks during the cold war onenote Apr 2013 #88

right, but they didn't lock down the whole city, looking for one person usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #91

London never had a hot pursuit of a fleeing bomber. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #47

WRONG: pursuing a lone, wounded, teenaged terrorist, is even LESS reason to shut down an entire city usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #52

They didn't know he was alone. They didn't know how badly wounded he was. randome Apr 2013 #55

oh usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #57

Please do not attempt Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #123

A highway chase. In cars, on a highway. Not in an urban neighborhood. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #58

Nevermind usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #62

Your example was a highway chase, and you didn't even take a pass at Belfast. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #68

I was in London at a time when avebury Apr 2013 #83

If you're talking about 2005, the bombers were killed in one of the blasts. randome Apr 2013 #90

WRONG: See post #52 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #94

Nope. This back in the 1990s. I can't avebury Apr 2013 #117

Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit Fumesucker Apr 2013 #2

+1! zappaman Apr 2013 #6

Fuckin' A neverforget Apr 2013 #7

They can bill me. Brickbat Apr 2013 #11

You can't make that kind of decision, you're just a grunt sarisataka Apr 2013 #31

that is always sound advice, FS bench scientist Apr 2013 #60

Weyland-Yutani did NOT approve this post. You have been warned. Kennah Apr 2013 #76

would of had more people walking the streets during event ThomThom Apr 2013 #3

Good point. Hindsight is 20/20. I lived at Raven Apr 2013 #8

Yes it is. Glad you are alright. ThomThom Apr 2013 #12

My understanding RantinRavin Apr 2013 #22

Lockdown rewards the next terrorist(s) customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #5

So...what would you have done other than close DD? Raven Apr 2013 #9

Did I give that impression? customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #129

They provided services to the police and the national guard and probably the FBI, too. randome Apr 2013 #14

I do trust you are being sarcastic customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #130

I 100% agree with you. The terrorists learned that...... Logical Apr 2013 #18

So....? What would you have done other than not closing the DD's? Raven Apr 2013 #26

Ah, no. You left out the part where after the bombs days past and the pursuit only Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #53

LOL, I guess you forgot many of them don't mind dying. Read some stories about it. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #61

Yeah, but that's not at all what you said, and those two sure seemed to mind. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #71

OK, you are right. Terrorists never plan on dying or getting caught. My bad. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #73

actually what they learned was onenote Apr 2013 #64

Wow, almost like terrorists who plan on dying. Good point. Except these idiots also..... Logical Apr 2013 #65

I don't particularly have one. Still trying to figure out yours. onenote Apr 2013 #85

No, one person shutting down a major US city for a day is silly no matter the age. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #92

Yet you constantly refer to his age in your posts as if it matters some how onenote Apr 2013 #96

"It was only after the all clear signal..." thucythucy Apr 2013 #72

I still think that discovering the suspect was more luck than skill customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #131

Nothing says "Terrorists Win!" like shutting down a whole city for a missing 19 year old. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #13

What would you have done? Raven Apr 2013 #17

Not shut down the city for ONE missing suspect n-t Logical Apr 2013 #21

Good, and then what? Raven Apr 2013 #27

Everything else they did was fine with me. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #30

Then the terrorists win every time snow is predicted in Raleigh NC. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #69

Are you calling Mother Nature a terrorist? Renew Deal Apr 2013 #103

Depends ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #124

"Missing 19 year old" treestar Apr 2013 #95

Yes, "Missing", "On the loose", "Escaped", Etc. Like the DC Snipers or escaped prisoners. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #98

And still no one can answer your question. Strange. randome Apr 2013 #15

see very first post: did they shut london down during the IRA bombings? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #16

London is a much larger city. 609 square miles compared to Boston's 89. randome Apr 2013 #23

London is just one example, there are many many more, shutting down a MAJOR U.S. for 1 wounded teen usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #37

They also had reason to suspect collaborators. randome Apr 2013 #49

look, the fact is, this is UNPRECEDENTED, and DANGEROUS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #56

These same points have been made over and over. randome Apr 2013 #66

Good, I am glad to hear that! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #70

"Why do you want to shut down the discussion/debate?" HiPointDem Apr 2013 #106

I was there in London once when the IRA set off a bomb near Harrods Dept. Store treestar Apr 2013 #93

while the smaller size makes it easier gejohnston Apr 2013 #125

No, apparently they didn't. So your suggestion is Raven Apr 2013 #24

don't try to recreate the conditions the Palestinians unfortunately have to live under in the U.S. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #33

Not sure I understand your post. Please explain. Raven Apr 2013 #34

My point is simple, lets not get hysterical over a lone, wounded, teen terrorist. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #42

The word is 'martial' law not 'marshall'. There was not martial law in Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #75

There was never a pursuit of an escapcing bomber in London. Did Boston shut down the day Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #63

see post #52 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #67

Your example is of a highway chase far away from London, on highways. A car chase. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #74

Yes, strange indeed, but I'm waiting for some answers. Raven Apr 2013 #20

actually i'm barely 1/4 through the thread and i've seen several answers. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #105

I have read at least two answers, and I haven't finished reading the thread. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #126

I'm a bit puzzled why the entire city of Boston was given the shelter-in-place Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #25

I'm sure many people would normally travel INTO the shelter-in-place area. Perhaps that's why. randome Apr 2013 #28

Not talking about them. There are many who travel wholly outside of the area. Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #43

Yeah, I hear you. randome Apr 2013 #54

Fair questions. I'm not sure what the logic was on the sip order and Raven Apr 2013 #32

Track him with more typical police methods wercal Apr 2013 #36

Thank you...the first concrete list of suggested alternatives... Raven Apr 2013 #39

these procedures are not new, and have been routinely followed during many simular events usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #46

Not a damn thing. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #38

It seems that during the shootout sarisataka Apr 2013 #44

Shut the media off, do not allow them to be right there following it breathlessly 24 hr/day uppityperson Apr 2013 #48

WOW! Seriously? Progressive forum...indeed! eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #77

I would like news to actually cover news, not breathless speculation. If that makes me uppityperson Apr 2013 #78

In 'my eyes' you are. Practice your 'goosestep' but I hear is it hell on your back. eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #79

Ever see the made for tv movie Special Bulletin? I highly recommend it. uppityperson Apr 2013 #80

I don't watch 'tv' movies but the fact that you do explains much... I'm finished with this thread. Purveyor Apr 2013 #82

OMG, assume much? I walked in on friends watching it back in 1980's. It is about how media uppityperson Apr 2013 #86

Good memory you have, indeed. Have a bridge to sell too? eom Purveyor Apr 2013 #99

It was quite the movie and greatly impressing. Too bad you are more concerned with snarking than uppityperson Apr 2013 #122

You know what? That's actually a concrete suggestion, and an excellent one Hekate Apr 2013 #119

Exactly. uppityperson Apr 2013 #121

Made the perimeter a little bigger, he was actually hiding OUTSIDE THE SEARCH AREA... winstars Apr 2013 #50

kept calm datasuspect Apr 2013 #51

They got lucky in Boston Warpy Apr 2013 #59

The cell phone was huge Renew Deal Apr 2013 #109

As a detective once put it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #118

I'm always interested pipi_k Apr 2013 #84

The one thing they won't say -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #97

"Oh yeah, it's all good looking back." ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #127

I'm just glad they got the guy BEFORE Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #128

The keyboard warriors of the Chairborne 360 are out strong today/tonight. flvegan Apr 2013 #100

Advocated for free donuts, coffee, and pizza for the cops. Zorra Apr 2013 #101

So you were the reason I was stuck listening to local nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #116

Well, see, I'm not one much for doing anything, but I will complain about the ones who are. TheManInTheMac Apr 2013 #102

Thanks for asking that, Raven. I have not seen a good answer yet, so will peruse this thread eagerly Hekate Apr 2013 #104

I think they did the best they could, and some things could have been done differently. Renew Deal Apr 2013 #107

I would have marched the entire population of Boston into the Commons in threes, rug Apr 2013 #108

please usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #110

Welcome to DU. rug Apr 2013 #111

thank you, rug usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #115

Me? Knightraven Apr 2013 #112

"Hide till the police said it was clear." Yeah, you would have. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #132

I am sure thy are asking this question nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #113

We don't exactly know all the details Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #114

We don't know that they did kill him. It may have been suicide by cop, but also his bro ran over him Hekate Apr 2013 #120