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9. With less guns - and more importantly, less folks attracted to guns - rate would be even less. n/t

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Yes, gun ownership does increase the homicide rate. [View all] DanTex Apr 2013 OP

K&R liberal N proud Apr 2013 #1

right wing "science" is anything but sigmasix Apr 2013 #2

I don't find this surprising. In a room with 100 guns and 100 people geckosfeet Apr 2013 #3

"Given that you can't get rid of the guns." Robb Apr 2013 #4

You can't. So forget about it. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #49

They did it in the UK. They did it in Australia. baldguy Apr 2013 #5

So you will ban some guns to save 200 lives but not ban other types of guns to save 30,000? hack89 Apr 2013 #8

OK. baldguy Apr 2013 #16

You specifically said you were not going to ban handguns but wanted to ban assault weapons. hack89 Apr 2013 #22

They also banned PIT BULLS in the UK..because they are dangerous. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #38

Non sequiturs don't help your argument. baldguy Apr 2013 #41

Ignorance of pit bulls? Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #56

Yes, it is a different culture. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #51

gun buybacks in the communities where people are nettlesome Kolesar Apr 2013 #6

Sorry - been at work all day. But here is a serious answer to your question. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #48

^rambling speculations Kolesar Apr 2013 #70

Guess I am just a rambler. Thanks for taking my views seriously. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #71

Well, if you look at the stats 2/3rds of the deaths would be self inflicted snooper2 Apr 2013 #42

Yes. Suicide or negligence. Both preventable with training and/or health care in most cases. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #50

America has cut it's homicide rate in half in the past 30 years hack89 Apr 2013 #7

With less guns - and more importantly, less folks attracted to guns - rate would be even less. n/t Hoyt Apr 2013 #9

That doesn't alter the reality hack89 pointed out NickB79 Apr 2013 #58

hack89, again, is fond of the death statistics, but ignores the reality of bullets and hospitals. Robb Apr 2013 #67

Gun ownership has actually dropped significantly in the last 20 years. DanTex Apr 2013 #10

But our non-gun homicide rate is higher too hack89 Apr 2013 #12

No it isn't. DanTex Apr 2013 #14

"our murder rate is not falling fast enough" Kolesar Apr 2013 #11

Considering our suicide rate is twice that of our murder rate hack89 Apr 2013 #13

Everyone here I think will agree that we have a long way to go with mental health policy. DanTex Apr 2013 #15

But there is more support for mental health policy hack89 Apr 2013 #19

I don't know about more support. DanTex Apr 2013 #25

But I am not against gun control hack89 Apr 2013 #26

Yes, but you keep chiming in about how gun violence is "really not that bad". DanTex Apr 2013 #28

Don't put words in my mouth hack89 Apr 2013 #29

That gun violence is concentrated among the urban poor doesn't make it any less of a problem. DanTex Apr 2013 #30

So lets focus our solutions on racism, poverty, homelessness hack89 Apr 2013 #31

And on guns. DanTex Apr 2013 #32

Sure hack89 Apr 2013 #33

. baldguy Apr 2013 #17

I don't believe that more guns resulted in fewer murders. hack89 Apr 2013 #20

Number of Guns vs Gun Ownership ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #44

But the number of households has also increased hack89 Apr 2013 #46

Nope ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #52

Ok - interesting stuff. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #54

You've got to factor in advances in medical technology. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #45

Look at my first link - look at aggravated assaults hack89 Apr 2013 #47

You admitted gun ownership decreased homicide in the G20 Recursion Apr 2013 #18

We've been over this. The G20 does not select for high human development or per capita GDP. DanTex Apr 2013 #21

You have ignored the countries with low firearms ownership and high homicides Recursion Apr 2013 #24

I have ignored countries that are not first-world democracies. DanTex Apr 2013 #27

I can hear the crickets from here. Robb Apr 2013 #35

I don't know about you, but the first thing that comes to mind for an international comparison DanTex Apr 2013 #36

Ouch...that's going to leave a mark alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #40

K&R BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #23

The homicide rate is one thing, but... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #34

Yes, the survival rate has increased over time DanTex Apr 2013 #37

A-ha! Missed that in maze of stuff in the thread... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #39

Very interesting. rrneck Apr 2013 #43

Indeed. It's easy to identify the problem. LAGC Apr 2013 #53

I have one, and it doesn't involve registration, magazine sizes or assault weapons bans XRubicon Apr 2013 #55

actually, we have been since the gejohnston Apr 2013 #57

A high tax, like 75 to 100% XRubicon Apr 2013 #59

It would be unconstitutional hack89 Apr 2013 #60

Nope sorry they did it in 1939 for automatic weapons XRubicon Apr 2013 #61

Handguns are specifically protected hack89 Apr 2013 #62

I think you are confusing rights and taxes... XRubicon Apr 2013 #63

Look up poll taxes. hack89 Apr 2013 #64

Your opinion is not constitutional law XRubicon Apr 2013 #65

ok nt hack89 Apr 2013 #66

rather classist isn't it? gejohnston Apr 2013 #68

I have a problem with the number of guns XRubicon Apr 2013 #69