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13. Considering our suicide rate is twice that of our murder rate

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:36 AM

Apr 2013

and is not falling like the murder rate, that is what I would concentrate on.

There are two gun suicides for every gun murder.

Take the issue outside the emotion of the gun control debate, focus purely on mental health care reform and national suicide prevention programs, and you will save thousands of lives and significantly reduce gun deaths.

Just a suggestion - does it make sense to you? Is there any common ground between us?

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Yes, gun ownership does increase the homicide rate. [View all] DanTex Apr 2013 OP

K&R liberal N proud Apr 2013 #1

right wing "science" is anything but sigmasix Apr 2013 #2

I don't find this surprising. In a room with 100 guns and 100 people geckosfeet Apr 2013 #3

"Given that you can't get rid of the guns." Robb Apr 2013 #4

You can't. So forget about it. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #49

They did it in the UK. They did it in Australia. baldguy Apr 2013 #5

So you will ban some guns to save 200 lives but not ban other types of guns to save 30,000? hack89 Apr 2013 #8

OK. baldguy Apr 2013 #16

You specifically said you were not going to ban handguns but wanted to ban assault weapons. hack89 Apr 2013 #22

They also banned PIT BULLS in the UK..because they are dangerous. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #38

Non sequiturs don't help your argument. baldguy Apr 2013 #41

Ignorance of pit bulls? Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2013 #56

Yes, it is a different culture. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #51

gun buybacks in the communities where people are nettlesome Kolesar Apr 2013 #6

Sorry - been at work all day. But here is a serious answer to your question. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #48

^rambling speculations Kolesar Apr 2013 #70

Guess I am just a rambler. Thanks for taking my views seriously. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #71

Well, if you look at the stats 2/3rds of the deaths would be self inflicted snooper2 Apr 2013 #42

Yes. Suicide or negligence. Both preventable with training and/or health care in most cases. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #50

America has cut it's homicide rate in half in the past 30 years hack89 Apr 2013 #7

With less guns - and more importantly, less folks attracted to guns - rate would be even less. n/t Hoyt Apr 2013 #9

That doesn't alter the reality hack89 pointed out NickB79 Apr 2013 #58

hack89, again, is fond of the death statistics, but ignores the reality of bullets and hospitals. Robb Apr 2013 #67

Gun ownership has actually dropped significantly in the last 20 years. DanTex Apr 2013 #10

But our non-gun homicide rate is higher too hack89 Apr 2013 #12

No it isn't. DanTex Apr 2013 #14

"our murder rate is not falling fast enough" Kolesar Apr 2013 #11

Considering our suicide rate is twice that of our murder rate hack89 Apr 2013 #13

Everyone here I think will agree that we have a long way to go with mental health policy. DanTex Apr 2013 #15

But there is more support for mental health policy hack89 Apr 2013 #19

I don't know about more support. DanTex Apr 2013 #25

But I am not against gun control hack89 Apr 2013 #26

Yes, but you keep chiming in about how gun violence is "really not that bad". DanTex Apr 2013 #28

Don't put words in my mouth hack89 Apr 2013 #29

That gun violence is concentrated among the urban poor doesn't make it any less of a problem. DanTex Apr 2013 #30

So lets focus our solutions on racism, poverty, homelessness hack89 Apr 2013 #31

And on guns. DanTex Apr 2013 #32

Sure hack89 Apr 2013 #33

. baldguy Apr 2013 #17

I don't believe that more guns resulted in fewer murders. hack89 Apr 2013 #20

Number of Guns vs Gun Ownership ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #44

But the number of households has also increased hack89 Apr 2013 #46

Nope ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #52

Ok - interesting stuff. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #54

You've got to factor in advances in medical technology. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #45

Look at my first link - look at aggravated assaults hack89 Apr 2013 #47

You admitted gun ownership decreased homicide in the G20 Recursion Apr 2013 #18

We've been over this. The G20 does not select for high human development or per capita GDP. DanTex Apr 2013 #21

You have ignored the countries with low firearms ownership and high homicides Recursion Apr 2013 #24

I have ignored countries that are not first-world democracies. DanTex Apr 2013 #27

I can hear the crickets from here. Robb Apr 2013 #35

I don't know about you, but the first thing that comes to mind for an international comparison DanTex Apr 2013 #36

Ouch...that's going to leave a mark alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #40

K&R BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #23

The homicide rate is one thing, but... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #34

Yes, the survival rate has increased over time DanTex Apr 2013 #37

A-ha! Missed that in maze of stuff in the thread... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #39

Very interesting. rrneck Apr 2013 #43

Indeed. It's easy to identify the problem. LAGC Apr 2013 #53

I have one, and it doesn't involve registration, magazine sizes or assault weapons bans XRubicon Apr 2013 #55

actually, we have been since the gejohnston Apr 2013 #57

A high tax, like 75 to 100% XRubicon Apr 2013 #59

It would be unconstitutional hack89 Apr 2013 #60

Nope sorry they did it in 1939 for automatic weapons XRubicon Apr 2013 #61

Handguns are specifically protected hack89 Apr 2013 #62

I think you are confusing rights and taxes... XRubicon Apr 2013 #63

Look up poll taxes. hack89 Apr 2013 #64

Your opinion is not constitutional law XRubicon Apr 2013 #65

ok nt hack89 Apr 2013 #66

rather classist isn't it? gejohnston Apr 2013 #68

I have a problem with the number of guns XRubicon Apr 2013 #69